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I don’t care one way or the other what you do or don’t care about. But you’ll need to define “the most privileged people on Earth” more broadly than the the capital-owning class to make your point, which proves mine.
Also, what evidence do you have that even a simple majority of people subjected to bizarre EDI sessions are “self-described anti-racists”? Tons of not-online normies who go to work for a paycheck work for companies who do, on the other hand, have a C-suite willing to hire “self-described anti-racists” as consultants and officers to provide a bit of a prophylactic against potential discrimination lawsuits.
I care about racism and the harm that it causes. Don't you? Are you a racist?
Being a white office worker makes you top 1% in the world when it comes to nigh every metric possible. If you think you are making a point by recognizing this fact then you will have to elucidate me.
You have to follow the context of the conversation if this is going to work, you can't just go comment by comment.
Either the people are anti-racist and not doing a good enough job and should be scolded, or they are racist since they don't want to do anything real to help fight against racism.
Or anti-racism offers a false binary, and people that take it seriously like Ibrahim X. Kendi end up sincerely advocating for an unelected panel of EDI government officials to be placed above the executive, legislative and judicial branches of the federal government in the pages of the Atlantic, effectively ending electoral politics if elections don’t redress racism is coherent with anti-racism’s assertion that no person/organization/structure/action/etc. can be neutral.
The binary isn't false. Either blacks are suffering more than whites, or they are not. It's not up to you as a white person to dictate the safest possible way for equality to come about anymore. Whites have had decades to put their preferred methods into action and none of them have worked. The gaps between blacks and whites are the same.
Sorry, but you don't get to sacrifice more black bodies for your white comfort anymore. The suffering and oppressed have no reason or moral obligation to value the continuation of the system that hurts and oppresses them and their children. If we can't achieve racial harmony within the white structures of power, then they will have to be abolished just like black and brown bodies had to abolish the white structure of slavery.
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