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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 14, 2022

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You already confused me for being ironic even with it, so I don't imagine removing it would be productive.

I was definitely being facetious. Come on now.

For the moment I just really don't want people doing "I checked your post history and..." maneuvers on me.

Fair enough, though I can't say I've personally seen this maneuver being pulled on anyone else on this domain. If that's true for you as well, perhaps you should consider a change and see what happens. Although if you do do that and someone does pull the card, you would be ceding (virtual and unimportant) power and acknowledging defeat by relocking up your profile. This can easily get into many useless layers of abstractions of what is the higher/lower status move, so I'll just say that at the most fundamental level, I'd expect the most far-right action is to not lock your profile and let your enemy pull their hair out being outraged by what you write.

Sure. I'm behind 7 proxies (or rather multiple onion nodes and a VPN).

Hilarious. Do you ever worry that you may be doxxed not by IP but by your diction and syntax? Like how they analyze them Unabomber manifestos? This ties back to when I first asked you if you code switch in real life, though the answer is obvious in retrospect, because you have to if you want to keep a clear firewall between your unfiltered thoughts here and your avowed proclivity for being neither retarded nor suicidal.

and as an "Olmec"

I'm out of the loop. Do you go way back from before /r/themotte or something? I can't imagine your not being banned by Reddit admins though.

All of them are 100% genuine convictions, and I somewhat resent (for the courtesy of informing you that you may have mildly disturbed a boundary of mutual, thus far, respect, not in any feminine fashion) the comparison of them to "tide pod eating". That they fend off normies is a bonus though.

I'm not 100% certain I follow your parenthetical insertion, which by the way I expect an AI translator to struggle with. In any case, the comparison to tide pod eating was mostly in jest. The portion that wasn't mainly goes back to the use of "simple terminological reflections." I follow your stated logic for why you do it, and am obviously fascinated by this exchange as it does not occur on the regular with my unflaired social circles. It's just that, well, it's really quite provocative to just go out there and proudly declare yourself a pedophile. I'm sure you can appreciate the idea that if you gather up 100 internet shit posters who say in a text forum that they are pedophiles, that the odds are something like 50 are edgy teenagers for whom the definition isn't meant to apply, 25 are FBI sting operations, 10 are GPT spam bots gone wild awry, 10 are actual pedophiles who may or may not be behind Tor looking to trade material, 4 have psychosis/schizophrenia, and 1 is a libertAryan monarcho-pedofascist and absolute androsupremacist (unironic), public choice appreciator. The base rate was to assume you're a troll and not take you at face value, no matter what you say.

more in the "be (and maybe recruit) Internet weirdos" phase

In recent months, Progressives have been famous for rendering their parent organizations ineffectual in achieving their actual stated goals thanks to purity tests, struggle sessions, in-fighting etc. Without knowing if/when you plan to rebalance your ratio for "Both, though the latter with much greater acknowledged probability", I'll state the obvious that your revolution will be severely set back by imposing purity tests that select only those who are as openly zealous about your values as you do. You already know this, of course. I just mean to note for the record that your revealed preference seems to have more or less "fully discount[ed] the former".

I was definitely being facetious. Come on now.

Obviously you should have put "(ironic)" so everyone would know.

Fair enough, though I can't say I've personally seen this maneuver being pulled on anyone else on this domain. If that's true for you as well, perhaps you should consider a change and see what happens. Although if you do do that and someone does pull the card, you would be ceding (virtual and unimportant) power and acknowledging defeat by relocking up your profile. This can easily get into many useless layers of abstractions of what is the higher/lower status move, so I'll just say that at the most fundamental level, I'd expect the most far-right action is to not lock your profile and let your enemy pull their hair out being outraged by what you write.

This is a carefully considered analysis that I shall evaluate as such. Thank you.

Do you ever worry that you may be doxxed not by IP but by your diction and syntax?

Yes some day, but I have no non-anonymous political presence at all (and I think my diction and syntax in regards to other subjects are naturally different enough to avoid solid stylometric correlation), so not at the moment.

I'm out of the loop. Do you go way back from before /r/themotte or something? I can't imagine your not being banned by Reddit admins though.

I go back. Way back. Text-only protocol back. (Global Reddit bans are easily evaded and of course irrelevant to status here.)

I'm sure you can appreciate the idea that if you gather up 100 internet shit posters who say in a text forum that they are pedophiles, that the odds are something like 50 are edgy teenagers for whom the definition isn't meant to apply, 25 are FBI sting operations, 10 are GPT spam bots gone wild awry, 10 are actual pedophiles who may or may not be behind Tor looking to trade material, 4 have psychosis/schizophrenia, and 1 is a libertAryan monarcho-pedofascist and absolute androsupremacist (unironic), public choice appreciator.

Not in my experience. I've talked to hundreds of open (at least online) pedophiles. Most of them are just pedophiles. A significant portion of them have various degrees of psychosis/schizophrenia (which is based and redpilled, in proper measure) too, but that's tangential. They're still pedophiles.

In any case, hopefully now you understand that you are mistaken about my being a troll (at least of the disingenuous performer kind).

I'll state the obvious that your revolution will be severely set back by imposing purity tests that select only those who are as openly zealous about your values as you do.

There's no purity testing!

The allegedly exclusively teleiophilic but curious of any variety are more than welcome to join me in masturbating to attractive children (or underage females of the more developed variety, which they've probably already done unknowingly and thus is likely a better gateway to the pedo in pedofascism). (I of course can't offer direct links/recommendations about this subject in such a classy venue, but I assure you that content (including and especially still legal but very sexy content) in this area isn't hard to find if you look.)

The pedo/hebe/nepio/ephebo/etc.philic who are skeptical of far-right ideologies as the ideal best protectors of their sexual rights are more than welcome to engage in dialogue with me. I will do my best to convince them.

And I welcome those among the above who are already far-right or lean in that direction in allying with me to help calibrate the exact ideological, political, practical, and policy parameters of how to best optimize for androsupremacist and pedophilic excellence.

Women are welcome, so long as they accept their naturally just subservience and the necessity of their absolute obedience to the edifice of masculine authority. Those of Negroid, Capoid, Congoid, etc. heritage are welcome so long as they accept that any negotiation of their status must originate from the pure truth of Aryan (including Japanese Honoraryan, t. Adolf Hitler) dominance and superiority. Even Jews who are willing to serve in some useful capacity in regards to eliminating the scourge of spiritual semitism (which may not require as much elimination of its physical counterpart as some are worried about, no guarantees though) are welcome! (In my pedofascism, Mr. Curtis Yarvin and his family will get a nice cottage on a pretty green hill somewhere. His daughter will even be allowed to remain as his exclusive sexual property, should that be his preference.)

As you can see, pedofascism has perhaps the most comprehensive Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion policy of any ideology in human history. We don't discriminate nor tolerate those who do. All folx are welcome here.

Ah, I now see I'm rather sheltered. When you previously wrote that you lived off your crypto investments and jetted around the world as a photographer for beautiful girls, I did not connect the dots that you were speaking literally of producing CSAM. I somehow just assumed you were engaging in sex tourism. Doesn't make sense in retrospect, but here we are.

I guess I'm glad this forum allows civil conversations on even this sensitive of a topic, but this seems like the stuff that eventually gets sites booted off web hosting companies and domain registrars. It's one thing to talk admiringly of Hitler, but another to talk of partaking in highly illegal shit. This is too much internet for me for the day. Signing off.

CSAM

Sorry, but I don't speak nuspeak. ¿Habla inglés?

In any case, if I were to produce erotic (or maybe merely stimulating and exciting if that is necessary to avoid legal impropriety) content featuring gorgeous young ladies (or perhaps I was being facetious), it would be of the gentlest (in production anyway), most non-abusive, finest, and most (very cool and very) legal kind and widely featured on reputable, all legal catalogues of Internet Contentâ„¢ like Instagramâ„¢, Patreonâ„¢, and VSCOâ„¢ (as so much similar content already is). Trust me folx. (Nor do I engage in "sex tourism"; I like purebred White Anglo lolimeat too much for that (and the Japanese aren't selling like the Cambodians do).)

That is, I think you may have memed yourself into a dream here. Or perhaps I memed you into it. I have not mentioned to you doing anything illegal at all in this area, much less "partaking in highly illegal shit", facetiously or not. (Masturbation (which is not facetious) is completely legal my friend.)

This confusion is what you might expect when you ask someone who you acknowledge wanting to remain "undoxxable" about their profession though. Who can say?

Fair enough. Straussian reading takes its tolls, and I overcorrected. I wish you the best in staying very legal and very cool.

The second is effortless. The first is a tactical decision. :) Thanks for your well wishes.

Straussian reading

Too much focus on the esoteric can obscure the exoteric. I am no Moldbug, no obscurantist; I do not intend to require a "Straussian reading". I mean what I say and say what I mean, when I mean to say what I mean and mean what I say (and so far here I do). (Though I admit that perhaps due to the uncommonality of some of my life circumstances, preferences, and beliefs, things may occasionally get lost in translation without any fault on either party's end.)