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Yeah, tbh, while I may appear particularly hostile to incels themselves I'm not. Just as I'm not hostile to the liberal Muslim on TV. I just know to treat her with a grain of salt instead of as the avatar of the movement.
I know her talking points, I've heard them a billion times. I know when she says "that's not even in the Qur'an" that whether or not it's even true is besides the point, which is pandering to Western Protestant sensibilities.
I'm annoyed precisely by the fact that you can't discuss this issue without parroting acceptable talking points (not only on this; many male issues need to be put through the feminist lens) which imo lessens the chances of getting anywhere since the ideology is just not for men. It annoys me in a whole host of fields besides incels tbh.
Why do I insist on emphasizing sex? Obviously, being lonely is also devastating. There's the added danger of not having a safety net.
Well, because I suspect that a significant incentive to imagine that the (stronger) male desire for sex partners and the concomitant disappointment is (besides applying feminist theory to the wrong sex) simply so progressives can return to their naive Rousseauism on sex: everything that is bad is due to society and will get sorted out when
The Messiahthe patriarchy is smashed and we've socially engineered all toxic masculinity (which may include being resentful at failing at basic evolutionary imperatives...).Which to me is a convenient non-solution that sounds just virtuous but allows one to change nothing indefinitely.
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