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That argument is equivalent to noticing that airplane crashes almost always happen near air traffic control towers and considering eliminating the air traffic control towers as a possible solution.
Of course, a lab for studying zoonotic coronaviruses is located near where zoonotic coronavirus spillovers tend to happen. You'd need a really good reason to put it somewhere else. You should be slightly surprised if a spillover happens far away from such a lab, not the other way around.
[Citation needed] - where did previous coronavirus zoonoses happen, specifically?
The "geographic context" map from the Wikipedia "Zoonotic Origins of Covid-19" page shows SARS-CoV-2's emergence in Wuhan (Hubei province), its closest relative in Yunnan province (1000 miles away), and other close relatives in Thailand, Cambodia, and Zhejiang (1000 miles away or more, each). The only coronaviruses it shows native to Hubei are more-loosely-related pangolin viruses that are basically everywhere in China, also not specific to Hubei. The Origins of SARS-CoV-2 - Zoonosis section mentions that the most likely wild source was SE Asian bats, probably with "the wet market imported an intermediate host" as the necessary step for getting the bat virus so far from its original reservoir. None of this conflicts with my own recollections on the subject.
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