It's funny to see highly upvoted comments of people arguing "lots of people in X believed Y, therefore Y is true" and downvoting people who write that's not a supportable argument, and then upvoting "lots of people in Russia believed NATO expansion was a threat, but that's not a legitimate belief and they didn't believe it" and then retreat to "okay, maybe they believed it, but it's dumb therefore Russia bad," while downvoting any disagreement.
And then accusing the dissidents of being paid shills.
I didn't say "lots of people", I said "basically everyone actually living in the countries involved". (including security analysts, politicians, pro-Russia people etc.)
Motteposting does have a point, though. Putin's literal words don't actually convey worry, but are also clear bullshit. Therefore more significance should be given to their negative valence, which does indicate worry.
"basically everyone actually living in the countries involves" thought X, therefore X is true, and yet making the claim that basically everyone living in Russia having a belief about actions of the US and co is met with downvotes and derision, attacks against the people, attacks against whether this was genuine, and attacks on the legitimacy of the belief itself
and then attacking the people even defending any part of that accusing them of being shills
it's a post about the behavior of the people who are on this forum which make it appear like arguments as soldiers
as an aside, I can't tell you how little respect I would assign to the beliefs of "security analysts, politicians, pro-russia people (whatever that means)" generally
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Well, if enough people think it, I guess that must make it true!
In any event, the point of the passage that you’re quoting does not turn on Putin’s assertion being correct.
It's funny to see highly upvoted comments of people arguing "lots of people in X believed Y, therefore Y is true" and downvoting people who write that's not a supportable argument, and then upvoting "lots of people in Russia believed NATO expansion was a threat, but that's not a legitimate belief and they didn't believe it" and then retreat to "okay, maybe they believed it, but it's dumb therefore Russia bad," while downvoting any disagreement.
And then accusing the dissidents of being paid shills.
I didn't say "lots of people", I said "basically everyone actually living in the countries involved". (including security analysts, politicians, pro-Russia people etc.)
Motteposting does have a point, though. Putin's literal words don't actually convey worry, but are also clear bullshit. Therefore more significance should be given to their negative valence, which does indicate worry.
yes, that's the example
"basically everyone actually living in the countries involves" thought X, therefore X is true, and yet making the claim that basically everyone living in Russia having a belief about actions of the US and co is met with downvotes and derision, attacks against the people, attacks against whether this was genuine, and attacks on the legitimacy of the belief itself
and then attacking the people even defending any part of that accusing them of being shills
it's a post about the behavior of the people who are on this forum which make it appear like arguments as soldiers
as an aside, I can't tell you how little respect I would assign to the beliefs of "security analysts, politicians, pro-russia people (whatever that means)" generally
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