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Who is the female equivalent of Gigachad? Gigachad is ultramasculine (a bodybuilder with a massive, chiseled jaw) and women rate him less attractive than men. Who's that woman that makes women go "yasss, that's our gender's ultimate form! What's do you mean she's not that hot?"

I so do not want the answer to this turn out to be Kim Kardashian.

I'm not aware of any female equivalent meme such as Gigachad.

But here are traits I have noticed that women weigh very highly compared to straight men.

  • Good sense of fashion.

  • Being thin to a fault.

  • Fancy haircut.

  • Interesting looking face (!= attractive face)

  • Overall aesthetic such as "art hoe" or "cottagecore".

  • Male like personality, think humor, sarcasm and aloofness (they project what they find attractive in men to other women)

If women wanted to optimize being maximally attractive to men and not what other women would think is attractive (sort of like the gigachad meme but in inverse), they would optimize;

  • Breast size

  • Butt size

  • Facial neoteny, or neoteny in general

  • Bubbly personality, high agreeableness (genz calls them "pick mes" lol)

You probably won't see even one person with a truly beautiful/stunning face, because they're that rare.

Why not? There are plenty of beautiful men in the gyms I go to (9-10 faces). Beautiful women seem far more rare but that might be more down to the types of gyms I to than something generalisable.

Yes, the face is the weak link in overall attractiveness. BUT, I don't think men place AS much importance on faces as women.

If I were to think of it. If I had two girls to choose from (A, B), Girl A has a 7.5/10 face and massive boobs, and girl B has an 8/10 face and medium-sized boobs, I would choose the girl with the massive tits.

I think this can extrapolate to most men. Ask them if would they rather prefer Kate Upton or Keira Knightly. This might be TMI, but when I see Keira knightly I think "wow, she is beautiful", when I see Kate Upton the dog inside of me takes over and I think in cavemen speak.

I think men extrapolate the weight they put on bodily attractiveness to women, hence the obsessive lifting.

Also I think there is a disconnect between biological attractiveness and "beauty standards". A mate that looks a certain way is an indicator of status, that certain way might not be the most biologically attractive.

The whole high SES men prefer skinny women shenanigans. All else being equal no man really prefers a skinny woman (small tits and ass).

This confounds conversations on the topic.

Attraction is hard to model and highly non-linear. And they are obviously not symmetric across genders even when you zoom into the most minute of details.

Maybe I'm wrong about that though.

I think you are confusing direction for magnitude.

My point was that a woman's attractiveness to men can be modeled as;

(0.75)*(facial_attractiveness) + (0.25)*(bodily_attractiveness)

Whilst a man's attractiveness to women can be modeled as;

(0.99)*(facial_attractiveness) + (0.01)*(bodily_attractiveness)

First point being that weights are not the same. The second point being of course it's not linear. So a "real" model would have floor and ceiling functions or activation functions in there. But I am confident about the weight ratios.

This is mainly time preference

Not so sure on this. I am not talking about tastefully thick, I am talking purely about breast and butt size. Large breasts and butts on a deeply subconscious level are coded as low status.

Male faces look much better at a low bodyfat percentage

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