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It doesn't require a lot of conspiratorial coordination for members of an institution to push gray areas in order to make the institution look more competent at carrying out its mission, i.e. cops intimidating suspects into false confessions making cops look better at solving crimes. Most coerced confessions I've heard of take the form of a cop intimidating a suspect into confessing to a crime where there's some limited evidence linking them to the crime. An honest cop can easily believe that even if officer X went too far that guy who confessed definitely did it, and then recanted in order to beat the charge.
It does require a lot of conspiratorial coordination for cops to intimidate a random guy into making up a false motive for a beneficiary outside the institution itself. Nancy would have to get on the line pretty fast to the SFPD in order to make sure that whatever officers interrogate this guy are in on the conspiracy, there can't be any records or any honest cops present for the conversation where they tell him "don't say you're a gay prostitute, say you're a right winger", and the SFPD would have to intimidate him into silence for the rest of his life. That requires a lot of people throughout the SFPD to be controlled by Pelosi, or someone linked to her, and the more people involved in a conspiracy the less likely it is to stay secret.
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