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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 20, 2025

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South Korea, Japan, and, yes, Poland have a serious fertility crisis right now. Maybe these women want to be with “chad”,[1] but those women contributing to Poland’s fertility crisis sure seem to complain when men from other countries, i.e. “Passport Bros” come to Poland and get together with them

[1] I have posted on my blog that the notion that 20% of the men are having sex with 80% of the women is not true

Slightly off topic, but I think you may be targeting an incorrect formulation of an incel argument with your second myth (alpha fux, beta bux)

The concept isn't that the women will cheat on the provider, but that they'll eventually settle for a beta provider after spending their 20s sleeping around with alphas, and potentially continue to cheat with the alphas while being married to their beta husband.

You provide as counterargument that few children come from cuckoldry, but that doesn't really address the claim: no one's claiming that the women are having children with the alphas, that would be an insult that even the beta husband could probably not ignore, and would likely lead to the "beta bux" drying up quite quickly (modulo divorce asset division). Instead, the claim is that the women are having large amounts of sex with the alphas before settling on a beta husband, and (more weakly) that they will often continue to cheat with the alphas.

I looked around a bit for a source for the "alpha fux, beta bux" term, and Rationalwiki (who if I recall correctly is fairly anti-incel and thus has no reason to give them an easier-to-defend term) cites Heartiste as the origination of this.

But most women are not that beautiful. For the majority, an “alpha fux, beta bux” strategy will net them, if they are in reasonably good shape, a decade of fantasy-fueling sex and miserable relationships, culminating in marriage (and a bank-busting wedding extravaganza) to a doughy herbling who must know deep in his bones that he is paying dearly for damaged product which better men than he used for free back when it was fresh off the shelves. He must also know that his rode-worn beloved who is about to execute the final stage of her indentured beta male servant plan considers him a second-rate alternative to the lovers of her past. If women don’t think this galls the betas who must accede to these liberated, feminist-friendly conditions, they are in for a rude awakening when they discover how quickly the hubby herblings give up on life and on pleasing their cackling sow wives.

Sexual liberation cannot be half-stepped. Everybody gets to fuck, all together or paired up.

I'm not going to personally defend this perspective. I'm just here to point out that the data-based argument that samiam makes doesn't actually refute the "alpha fux, beta bux" argument as incels normally formulate it.

There are certainly philosophical arguments that can be made (really, that's more or less what's going on upthread), and I'm not even ruling out the idea that there's a data-based argument that does refute "alpha fux, beta bux", it's just not this one.

I am not an incel and disagree with many aspects of their arguments: the best I can muster is a "there but for the grace of God go I".

I have posted on my blog

You've got a rather bad typo in that heading.

Fixed.

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