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Exactly. There actually was a project where Czechs and Slovaks and Germans and Hungarians and Serbs and Croats and Bosniaks and Poles and Ukrainians and Rusyns and other "diverse" peoples lived together for centuries. It was called Austrian Empire. In the end the diversity was not a strength, it broke the whole thing apart.
Yes. USA was able to assimilate and suppress intercommunal rivalries by fighting and winning a civil war against a "community" that defied centralization and homogenization, going through period of national revival, pushing for American identity using new mass media technologies of radio and TV. Plus fighting and winning two world wars also helped. More importantly the total fertility rate of of 5,6 for native population in year 1900 also helped with not getting overwhelmed, even if foreign born population was 13% at that time.
So if by "ideological diversity" authors mean nationalistic or even outright jingoistic propaganda, having things like English-only movement paired with things like banning German language from public during WW1, widespread flag desecration laws, introducing pledge of allegiance and many other things including basically curtailing immigration in 1924 - then I agree.
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