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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 24, 2025

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Why must the male be the one that takes on responsibility/authority?

In the context of a parachurch ministry, the answer is straightforward: God designed the human sexes that way, and He has commanded us to follow that design. The Bible is pretty emphatic about this:

  • Genesis 2:18-25 begins, “Then the Lord God said, ‘It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him.’”
  • 1 Corinthians 11:3 says, “But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.” I do not want to put too much weight on the nuances of this one, because it comes in a discussion about headcoverings that is much disputed and kind of confusing in the context of the rest of the Bible. But I don’t want to leave it out.
  • Ephesians 5:22-33 is the passage that is most often referenced in evangelical churches on this topic. If you want to understand what the Promise Keepers aspired to, it’s the one to read.
  • Colossians 3:18-22 is a condensed household code in line with the other passages.
  • 1 Peter 3:1-7 commands wives to give obedience and husbands to give understanding and honor, along with some thoughts on feminine virtue.

If I were to make a secular argument, I would build it on the distribution of temperaments in men and women and how they interact within this framework, and I’d refer to studies of different subcultures with different marriage norms, being aware of the biases in social psychology. But it’s much harder to make a normative argument that way, and there would be legitimate discussion to be had about when to strengthen traditional norms to benefit the average person and when to weaken them to benefit outliers.

When you believe that the Bible is God’s Word – and that’s the conviction the Promise Keepers were working from – then it has the right to make normative claims that human prudence does not.