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PaperclipPerfector  6d ago (text post)   438 thread views

Transnational Thursday for December 25, 2025

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Ukraine previously drone striked a radar installation in northern Russia the sole purpose of which is to monitor the North Pole for incoming ICBMs. It had zero utility for any of the Russian military activity in Ukraine. Sure it’s war, Ukraine can hit anything they want, but I fail to see why else they would do that.

moral framework

Personally I would rather not die of radiation poisoning and end human civilization just because it’s within your moral framework

They also destroyed poor old innocent nuclear-capable bombers with the drone-truck attack.

Why would they not hit anything of value to russia they can? Do you think they need a suicidal reason(let's bait them to nuke us!) to not respect russian property? Why is all the onus of restraint on them, and never on the giant aggressor with nukes?

Why is all the onus of restraint on them, and never on the giant aggressor with nukes?

Blockades are an act of war too. Cuba could have just fired a nuke at the American fleet in ‘62 and been done with it. They had the nukes. They had launch authority. Hell, that’s what Castro wanted to do. Thankfully for all of humanity the Soviet presidium wasn’t taking your advice.

Ukraine does not have nukes, this analogy does not work at all.

Ok but why not? If Russia is the aggressor, and Ukraine has zero responsibility to restrain themselves in their defense, why not just give them four hundred hydrogen bombs and let ‘er rip?

I would call for restraint then - in fact, I would simply maintain my 'don't nuke' policy. You have a 'don't do anything that might provoke Russia to nuke' which is completely different. I urge the same restraint in similar circumstances for both - you want more restraint from the weaker, less dangerous, defensive party.

It seems we that agree there should be some amount of restraint. Now we’re just haggling over the degree.

A woman who sleeps with Churchill for a million pounds is not a whore in any real sense. Just a rational being responding to incentives. She'd be mentally ill not to. Churchill's just using too-simple a definition for his little PUA trick.

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