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Culture War Roundup for the week of January 26, 2026

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Secondly, the current immigration enforcement protocol seems to act on people who prosecutorial discretion should be utilized for, and has very consistently in the past, and then the government doesn't even bother to defend its acts to judges. Take this case, wherein we have a highly sympathetic detainee - but someone who nonetheless, I acknowledge, ordered removed many years ago, but not yet removed. That said, the government's position to the judge isn't even that they should do this, are allowed to do this, or want to do this - they literally offered no argument as to why she shouldn't be released. No, seriously, they submitted a three sentence response that said "we have no argument to present" - and then didn't just release the person themselves, without being ordered to? Why not? For what purpose does the government take actions that it does not represent to a court that it agrees with? For what purpose does the government require judges and court costs to issue orders to make them take actions that they have no argument to oppose?

The Iranian grandma got her due process in 1999. She applied for asylum, a judge said no, she was given a removal order. But, as you can guess "Petitioner was not removed and was allowed to remain in the United States."

What is the purpose of the asylum claim, the judge, the removal order if the Iranian grandma gets to stay no matter the outcome? The law says "remove the Iranian grandma". The judge says "remove the Iranian grandma". But for some reason the Iranian grandma stays.

26 years later the Iranian grandma who was told to leave is still here. And now the Iranian grandma gets to argue in court about her due process when she finally gets told to leave decades later. Where is my due process? Why do I have to pay for this whole elaborate process to kick people out, but when they get told to leave we just let them stay? Why are laws arbitrarily enforced, I just have to deal with it and also pay for her healthcare? Iranian grandma gets to just totally ignore the laws and the asylum system when it rules against her, but gets all the protections of the system when it suits her. Very cool.

I don't really understand what happened for the last 26 years as to why she was never deported, but she hasn't ignored anything, she was checking in with ICE regularly as asked.

Under existing law, she cannot be detained, there does not appear to be any dispute on this fact. The administration is perfectly capable of proposing changes to the law to change this, or to change whatever system has resulted in her staying for 26 years. But they haven't even tried!

I don't really understand what happened for the last 26 years as to why she was never deported, but she hasn't ignored anything, she was checking in with ICE regularly as asked.

If you are told to do something by a judge, and you don't do it, in what sense have you not ignored that judge? Did she leave the country as asked? As she was ordered? As the asylum process determined? No.

She never should have gotten an ICE check in in the first place, if anything I hold it against her for wasting even more time and money.

Under existing law

Under existing law she should not be here.

If you are told to do something by a judge, and you don't do it, in what sense have you not ignored that judge?

That's fair to some extent. Maybe it's kind of pedantic but I do think there is a difference between an order to "leave the country" vs. "if you do not leave the country you can be deported", and I'm not sure which form the removal order would have taken.