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To be clear, I never witnessed illegal behavior and never saw anyone who appeared underage in his presence.

One of the things that it's impossible for anyone in authority to say is that Epstein was not Jimmy Saville. Unlike our resident UK paedo, he wasn't going around children's hospitals and asking to meet the nice little boys. And even with Saville there's a fascinating reddit thread asking what the hell happened:

When someone has done something to endear themselves to the public, it can be hard to see what is really be going on and sometimes difficult to change that perception.

He fronted Top of the Pops at a time when music was beginning to be a part of everyone's everyday lives. As he was introducing new, exciting songs, people naturally associated him with the music. You'd be sitting around the tv, waiting for your favourite song to be played, and he was there, introducing it to you. People associated him with good times.

He went on to build that idea up. Safety campaigns, the idea that he cared about your kids' safety, TV shows where he helped kids dreams come true, charity events where he donated money to those who needed it all helped to associate him with good things.

That protects against an allegation here or there. Or some odd behavioural traits.

As he continued working for his causes, he built up some powerful friends. Meeting the PM, having royalty as friends furthered the idea that he was essentially good, even if he was eccentric. That warm, nice feeling when someone is remembering back to their favourite song they saw on the TV on Top of the Pops is linked with him introducing it.

I've always found it interesting that his personal assistant steadfastly refused to believe what he was really doing. She couldn't accept that he was an abuser. It took a very long time for her - even when faced with facts - to accept that he was a paedophile. And she was working with him every day. She associated him with doing good things and that perception is difficult to change.

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I grew up watching Top of the Pops and Jim'll Fix It, and I remember his 'Clunk Click Every Trip' road safety adverts, and seeing his charity marathons on the news.

With hindsight, he was working extremely hard to attach himself to things that were popular or worthy. He wasn't everyone's cup of tea but most saw him as an oddball not a creep, and Britain loves eccentric characters.

When he died, some of the press reports emphasised how he never married, lived alone, and was close to his mother - basically implying that he was a sad, lonely, closeted gay man. There was a bit of a backlash to that, with people who knew him talking about his wide circle of friends. There was no mention of any allegations.

It was another year before the story broke. The public had no idea. Even the people who worked in showbiz or the NHS and had heard rumours couldn't have imagined the scale of his crimes.

(That last isn't true. Hospital people knew to give him a special room and send the children in, and everyone in the BBC knew. Famously, the one joke that the BBC vetoed from The Thick of It was about "what they'll find in Saville's basement after he's dead".)

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Hang my head in shame time. When it first broke i thought it was a cash grab by the victims and it was a shame as he wasnt here to defend himself. To me he was just Jimmy Saville. He was always there so he didnt seem weird. Should probably add i accept he was a monster now.

But in Epstein's case 'rich man surrounds himself with nubile girls, one or two of whom may have lied a bit about their age' is not something that's going to make people's alarm bells ring.

Savile was exactly who I had in mind. The guy was a literal child molester, and yet the only person who spoke out when he was alive was, as @FtttG wrote, a punk rocker, someone who by definition should have zero respect for the establishment.

Imagine being invited to Epstein's island. Having lots of RHRGs around is the sign of a any good party. There are literally dozens of other very important people at the party with you, some of them more important than you. One of the girls looks a bit too young to be 18. Well, there are many possibilities there:

  • She's 18, she's just cynically exploiting her looks.
  • She's not 18 and she's cynically exploiting her looks.

Well, maybe she's not 18 and someone here on the island might be violating 18 U.S. Code ยง 2423. But you're not a cop nor a lawyer. Surely the arrangement, if of dubious legality, is mutually beneficial: the girl wants some pocket money, ol' Jeff brings her to the island with no explicit expectations of illicit sexual conduct. If she lies to someone about her age to play hide the sausage with a celebrity, then it's her problem. Surely you can't be the first one to blow the whistle, surely someone else would've done that already.

The more I read about Savile, the more appalled I felt. John Lydon of the Sex Pistols once gave an interview in which he more or less stated that, within the BBC, it was an open secret that Saville was having inappropriate contact with children. This was in 1978, three decades before Savile died and all this bad business started to come out.

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