This weekly roundup thread is intended for all culture war posts. 'Culture war' is vaguely defined, but it basically means controversial issues that fall along set tribal lines. Arguments over culture war issues generate a lot of heat and little light, and few deeply entrenched people ever change their minds. This thread is for voicing opinions and analyzing the state of the discussion while trying to optimize for light over heat.
Optimistically, we think that engaging with people you disagree with is worth your time, and so is being nice! Pessimistically, there are many dynamics that can lead discussions on Culture War topics to become unproductive. There's a human tendency to divide along tribal lines, praising your ingroup and vilifying your outgroup - and if you think you find it easy to criticize your ingroup, then it may be that your outgroup is not who you think it is. Extremists with opposing positions can feed off each other, highlighting each other's worst points to justify their own angry rhetoric, which becomes in turn a new example of bad behavior for the other side to highlight.
We would like to avoid these negative dynamics. Accordingly, we ask that you do not use this thread for waging the Culture War. Examples of waging the Culture War:
-
Shaming.
-
Attempting to 'build consensus' or enforce ideological conformity.
-
Making sweeping generalizations to vilify a group you dislike.
-
Recruiting for a cause.
-
Posting links that could be summarized as 'Boo outgroup!' Basically, if your content is 'Can you believe what Those People did this week?' then you should either refrain from posting, or do some very patient work to contextualize and/or steel-man the relevant viewpoint.
In general, you should argue to understand, not to win. This thread is not territory to be claimed by one group or another; indeed, the aim is to have many different viewpoints represented here. Thus, we also ask that you follow some guidelines:
-
Speak plainly. Avoid sarcasm and mockery. When disagreeing with someone, state your objections explicitly.
-
Be as precise and charitable as you can. Don't paraphrase unflatteringly.
-
Don't imply that someone said something they did not say, even if you think it follows from what they said.
-
Write like everyone is reading and you want them to be included in the discussion.
On an ad hoc basis, the mods will try to compile a list of the best posts/comments from the previous week, posted in Quality Contribution threads and archived at /r/TheThread. You may nominate a comment for this list by clicking on 'report' at the bottom of the post and typing 'Actually a quality contribution' as the report reason.

Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Notes -
Minor point, this seems to be the wrong way round. The asset aspect is the boring (if hyped) part, and the proposal to do financial transactions without a trusted party (which can easily coerced to block some transactions by the feds) was the innovation. Of course, this freedom to do transactions has mostly been used in darknet marketplaces and for ransomware, but that's humans for you.
I will grant you that the anarcho-libertarian utopia promised by the blockchain has not happened, though. 'crypto' is 99% get-rich-quick scams, and the 1% are probably mostly ransomware and the like, with 0.01% being nerds buying acid or donating to wikileaks. Legal crypto exchanges are very much centralized, and banking laws in the US are probably broad enough that the feds can jail you for decades if you put substantial amounts of your money through a mix or otherwise annoy them.
And gen-AI is definitely the bigger deal, sure. It might take six or eight orders of magnitudes more money to train a LLM than it takes to train an individual human, but my feeling is that if we assume that the tech will keep the current intelligence level and and simply improve on the execution, that is already enough to make the mean white collar worker obsolete. Heck, I have a PhD-level education and consider a future where I am reduced to wearing AR goggles and connecting cables to where some AI decides they should go while it takes care of the software tasks far more efficiently than I ever could distinctly possible.
This is not to say that the AI bubble bursting is not also possible. I mean, investors in the late 90s were not wrong about everything -- the internet did have an enormous effect on commerce. It was more the specifics which they were wrong about, like if pets.com would ever become profitable.
More options
Context Copy link