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I'm... skeptical of the strong form of this thesis.
There's a trivial version where yes, getting off every night means you're not going to get the early Spring 'holy shit I need to be in someone' rush, or where people in relationships have less sex if one or both watches a lot of porn, or it slightly impacts where 10/10 on a scale falls or what an ideal date night looks like. That's clearly true, but it's not very interesting, doesn't change depending on type (or, frankly, amount) of pornography, and doesn't result in people unable to fuck women.
If you're working on those concerns, I'd probably say the anime/hentai/furry side has more of an impact? AI-generated human-like people might be unnaturally perfect, but human neurology seems to map from unnatural perfection to normality fine. Reading into non-photorealistic-human shapes involves rewiring yourself to see those shapes as people. I'd expect that to have a bigger impact.
The strong form, where smut messes with your head so seriously you might not be able to be attracted to actual people, is a meaningful and different category. And there are examples of people who've ended up here. I'm most familiar with some of those people from the furry fandom -- either because they look at humans and don't get the frisson without a muzzle or tail, or because they've gotten wrapped up into kinks like vore or snuff that can't be executed in real life. But it can happen in other environments: the trans 'chaser' that couldn't form a relationship with one and won't leave the concept alone, the supermodel obsessive who will never meet a woman he'd score above a 3/10 and wouldn't date anyone who would give him a second glance, or the kinksters who've obviated the sex itself.
Yet actually looking into what happened or happens with specific examples throws a wrench into the theory. There's people who's FA pages are walls of overly-detailed mouths who still desperately want a boyfriend or girlfriend, or get one. Same for latex fetishism, or (for a women's example) obsession with guys in masks. Hell, even extreme denial kink tends to go that way, and there not getting fucked is the whole point. Charitably, that emotional and social connection just becomes too important too quickly. Less charitably, computers can't yet replace a warm hole or warm pole, nevermind the warm body and cuddling that comes with them.
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