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A, Chinese robbers. B, neither of the two articles you link really pattern-matched to the "trap" archetype. Watkin was a social transitioner who frankly looks so clocky that I'm very much inclined to believe her defense that it didn't cross her mind that the guy might not have realized. Which is maybe not best practice, but we're a long way away from the sultry queen who suddenly whips out a penis. As for Newland, I honestly can't tell if she even identifies as male? It sounds like this could genuinely just be a lesbian who engaged in an improbable deception to get in a straight woman's pants. The article never claims that she identified as trans, it merely draws a possible legal analogy from how her case was judged to how this may reflect on trans cases. And either way, we're dealing here with someone who went by a wholly fake name and invented a fake backstory about an accident; the deceit goes well beyond a lack of disclosure even if Newland was indeed a trans man.
I feel absolutely confident that all my trans friends' judgement on these cases would be, respectively, "Watkin was not actually trying to deceive anyone", and "Newland was obviously trying to deceive the victim and the way she did so would constitute rape-by-deception regardless of the genders angle".
Well, your trans friends would be wrong:
Why would a male person (who, by definition, cannot menstruate) falsely claim to be menstruating? Dare I say it's because he was trying to deceive someone?
My mistake on skimming and missing that bit. (Though I'm wondering about the impersonal "the court heard". From who? Does Watkin deny saying it?)
"Watkin had admitted lying". So I doubt it.
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I have to say: you've been spamming this line a lot, and at this point I don't think you know what it means.
I will remind you that I was responding to your claim that rape-by-deception trans people are "creatures of fantasy" i.e. that nothing like this ever happens. I never claimed that these two cases indicate that trans people commit rape by deception more often than average. I claimed that these two cases indicate that the number of trans people who have committed rape by deception is greater than 0 i.e. more than the amount you claimed.
When you claim that something never happens, and someone provides you with evidence that it does, in fact, happen, the appropriate response is "oh, my bad, I wasn't aware of that, thanks for letting me know". The appropriate response is not to dismiss me using a two-word rebuttal of a claim I never made.
It's really obnoxious for you to jump directly from "Group X never does this!" to "you have not presented compelling evidence that Group X does this more frequently than the typical rate in the general population" without even acknowledging that conceding the second point means that your first point was wrong.
I never said that; I said it was "largely a creature of fantasy", i.e. it might happen very occasionally but in statistically insignificant numbers.
Even if that's what you intended with your maximally weaselly choice of words, I will reiterate that at no point did I claim trans people are more likely to commit rape by deception than the average person, so your dismissive "Chinese robbers" was unwarranted.
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