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Culture War Roundup for the week of July 13, 2026

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AI is just the democratization of slavery, bringing to the masses what used to be the exclusive domain of the few.

Yes this is a great point, and why I find the hatred of AI art from a particular class of consumers who never produce art themselves but who consume it really irritating. They want the luxury to demand that the art they consume is hand drawn or hand painted or hand sketched or hand CGI'd or hand photoshopped but never ever hand prompted. They would never demand that their checking account be artisanally hand crafted on papyrus spreadsheets and totaled by sheer brainpower but cringe at any art that wasn't toiled over by hand. They want creatives chained to their workspaces dammit! Never mind that the fundamental problem is that they lack the creativity or motivation to produce artwork themselves, and even now when the barrier to entry is as low as prompting an LLM, which makes them look even worse to anyone who actually creates things.

To your other points, noblesse oblige has died out long ago in the modern west, which is why it's so degrading to participate in society broadly. And it died off so quickly- my grandparents' generation were clean, elegant, sane people- my parents' generation, not at all.

Anything good or beautiful that happens to arise for a time is an accident that can only flourish under very precise and precarious conditions [...]

This is starting to become evident to me. It's too bad but you put it nicely.

I find the hatred of AI art from a particular class of consumers who never produce art themselves but who consume it really irritating

They want creatives chained to their workspaces dammit

I'm not sure this perspective makes much sense. It is the creatives themselves that want to be chained to their workplaces; support for generative AI amongst both Eastern and Western creatives is about as rock bottom as public opinion can get, no greater than the Lizardman's Constant. It's not as if the dynamic is that creatives really really want to be using AI to produce but the unsophistication of the proles won't allow them to do so; to the contrary, you would get dogpiled by creatives in pretty much every online or offline space for artists if you announced your vociferous support for AI art.

In the closest corollary, software engineering, where there actually is strong grassroots support for wanting to use coding agents, there is pretty much no consumer demand for chaining engineers to their desks and making them hand-write the code, apart from the free software or degrowth crowds who dislike LLMs themselves for ideological reasons.

This is not my experience at all, it is mostly the bad artists and creatives who publicly dislike AI art. Kazuma Kaneko for example who is an extremely talented genius illustrator (his Persona 1/2 designs are some of the best video game related art ever IMO) has produced a video game with a bunch of AI art trained on his style, he's obviously fine with it but the reaction from the public has been hysterical. Nick Knight is a very talented photographer and embraces AI, that's only two examples off the top of my head but I can think of more if you need me to. No artist or creative who I genuinely respect has come out openly against AI. Most of the creatives vocally against it are pretty mediocre at best or just terrible deviantart level hacks