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I am not 100% convinced about pre-trib, but I'll be happy to hear why I'm wrong on the way up.

The best case I've heard is one of circumstantial evidence. There are many references to Christ's second comming occuring an an unexpected time:

Mark 13:32-37

But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Be on guard, keep awake.[a] For you do not know when the time will come. It is like a man going on a journey, when he leaves home and puts his servants[b] in charge, each with his work, and commands the doorkeeper to stay awake. Therefore stay awake—for you do not know when the master of the house will come, in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows,[c] or in the morning—lest he come suddenly and find you asleep. And what I say to you I say to all: Stay awake.

Matthew 25:13

Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.

I Thessalonians 5:2

For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.

Matthew 24:36

But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.

If something can only occur after another event, then there's no reason to expect the following event to occur until the first event happens.

If Christ can only return after the tribulation begins (mid trib or end trib) then everyone can wait unti the great tribulation begins to expect his return and everyone watching carefully before that is watching in vain.

The next best evidence is the structure of the Revelation of John. The church is mentioned frequently in the first 3 chapters of Revelation and then isnt mentioned again until chapter 22.

Also the 70 weeks of Daniel, where the first 69 weeks point clearly to Palm Sunday then a gap of indeterminate length before the 70th week which is the tribulation.

I don't think the bible gives enough evidence for any of the 3 common timing options to be unambiguously right, but I love the image of a great counter in heaven that ticks up each time anothet soul is saved, followef by Satan dreading that this one will be accompanied by the trumpet blast that signals the clear beginning of the end.

The unexpectedness of a post-trib Rapture can be accounted at least two ways.

First, there are good enough explanations for all four Rapture scenarios that all have large numbers of adherents. (Pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib, no Rapture). This leads to the Unexpected Hanging Paradox even after the mid-trib passes with no Rapture.

Second, fallen angels can read the Bible and try to hijack the human interpretations of the prophecies with a confusing array of pseudo-Messiahs, only the final one of which is the Man of Lawlessness, the Antichrist. In fact, it’s to their advantage: the more they promulgate, the more souls give up on Messiah entirely.

I myself around 2008 facetiously and satirically calculated Christ’s return in 2030 (crucifixion in AD 30 + 2000), with the real Antichrist showing up in 2023 (2030-7) to “save” us from the penultimate pseudo-Messiah who would be revealed in 2016 (2023-7). And then Donald Trump was elected in 2016… and 2024. So I’ve learned not to play with prophecy.

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