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Interesting. Wifey also poo-poos the A13? My own wife is blasé about scents in general (and at one point in our relationship I realized she actually likes certain odors I may have after exertion that I would characterize as stink) but she didn't have anything negative to say about Another 13.
She had nothing good to say about it. She made me buy a 30ml bottle of A Lover's Tale, though. For her own use. Another 13 is... what's the opposite of "right up her alley", "left down her alley"? What I mean to say, she really doesn't like synthetic fragrances, and Another 13 is unapologetically synthetic.
Ambroxan, synthetic ambergris. Interesting, thanks. A pheromone and is-it-bullshit deep dive may be in order.
It's not just ambroxan. A13 simply doesn't smell like any flower or leaf or wood shaving or peel you might find in nature.
Ah, so that is what you meant by synthetic. Yes. Soapy in its way--or like the drum of a washer, as you say (I never got that). I guess we'll have to just disagree on this one, but again I think it's interesting how smells hit people differently.
Another 13, if you will forgive the synethesia, is like a bright, light blue sky, but with white clouds, some thick, some less opaque, floating in wisps and tufts. Polo cologne was like its bottle--deep murky green with dark brown highlights, leading to a dark well. Some scents are like bright purple and orange mixed together, and those are the ones that I can't abide. A lot of perfumes marketed to women hit me this way--busy, clashing, neon but dark. I have trouble describing them in marketing terms like woody, amber, citrus, base notes and sillage, but I can see the scents in my head.
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