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Distrust me then. I refuse to answer those kinds of gross hypothetical questions. They are not asked in good faith.
What??? Are you so low-decoupling you consider any discussion about an unpleasant topic a personal attack? I am genuinely baffled by your perspective. Do you sincerely think that people who ask the trolley question want to "gotcha!" you? You can trivially disprove this by just asking the question back. Nobody who would ask the wife-beating question would reply to it, but I can guarantee you that virtually anyone who asks the trolley question (or the cow question) is just dying to talk about the philosophy that underpins their own answers. I'm not speaking in the abstract here-- my friend group plays Aella's Askhole game as an icebreaker at parties and the cow question (well, in the askhole formulation it's "would your rather fuck a dog or your own mother") always starts interesting spirited discussions.
Actually, let me administer a quick test about your ability to deal in hypotheticals... "How would you feel right now if you hadn't had breakfast this morning?"
The cow question is not asked in good faith because answering truthfully implies (without literally stating) that you like something nasty.
The reason that some people who ask the cow question don't mind answering it themselves is because they are weirdos who like transgressing against society by implying that they like nasty things. They are still aware that other people don't like doing this.
Would you rather eat a whole tin of surströmming or two Carolina Reapers? Does answering this truthfully imply you like eating nasty things?
Would you rather let Jeffrey Epstein or Lindsay Clancy babysit your kids? Does answering this truthfully imply you approve of what the one you chose did?
Whether a statement that you prefer X implies that you like X is context dependent and can't be determined by grammatical similarity to other statements where you say you prefer something. You just need to know.
Writing down the rules in an airtight way, like all rules for social interaction, would not be simple.
And "a rule for social interaction is not real unless you can write it out in an airtight way" is argumentum ad autism.
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But I did have breakfast this morning!
"Whatever my case was, I hereby rest it."
Why the link? You must realize that as a low-decoupling idiot, I need more explanation.
And now it's been over 24h hours since I replied to @GBRK and so far, my test results haven't come in. So much for "quick test".
The quick test was to see whether you would interact with me on the object level of the question being asked or on the level of the rhetorical point I was making by asking you the question. Since you did the first, and furthermore ignored all the other points I made, I realized that you had neither the interest nor the capability to discuss in general whether provocative hypothetical questions are useful or interesting. That's essentially isomorphic to getting you to answer the cow question anyway, since it implies your answer wouldn't have any interesting reasoning behind in. Consequently I lost interest in our conversation.
Look, those cute little hypothetical questions being intellectually stimulating thought exercises is a view one can take. I certainly thought so when I was an autistic teenager. But from there, we go down the path of retardation.
First off, making the cute little hypothetical question maximally gross is not some neutral and obejctive way of detecting low-decoupling sheeple. It might do that job in select cases, but to most people inserting some intentionally disgusting scenario into the conversation is an act of social aggression - forcing them to consider, imagine and spend attention on ideas that they'd spend significant energy avoiding in real life. The trolley problem is bad enough - a scenario contrived to make people weigh the value of human lives, which is something that most have been conditioned against considering. But it's also a clean scenario; a numbers game; clearly an invitation to considerations of ethics and of life-or-death decisions. I'm not a fan, I consider it pretty much entirely pointless, but sometimes lives really do need to be weighed - such as in the debate of whether hijacked civilian planes should be shot down.
The cowfucker problem is not that. The cowfucker problem exists to gross people out. It's perhaps a social ritual in which all those involved shed some degree of common decency, at least hypothetically, wink wink, in order to buy into the enlightened society of the intellectually superior; those who are willing to dedicate some portion of their minds and some small part of their lives to the idea of fucking cows. And let me be straight here - I call utter bullshit on the idea that there are any great insights to be gained from pondering cowfucking. It's a stupid little game, not some great and valuable test of intellectual capacity. I'd even go as far as to assume that its main purpose is to flaunt one's pretend superiority by ignoring social norms, some contrarian pride in communaly sticking their imaginary dicks into imaginary cows, but I can't read your mind so just dismiss that as uncharitable cynicism on my part.
If cowfucking-pondering is the standard by which you judge others, then please consider yourself judged in turn.
Based on this
...it seems like your test for permitting gross hypothetical questions is whether they force the person being asked to consider deeper questions of genuine weight. That seems fair enough-- I wouldn't support gross questions for the sake of gross questions. But I think you're missing the point of the cow question specifically, and the point of grossness in moral dilemmas in general.
The question I have actually heard asked several times-- the dog/mother question-- is empirically successful at getting people to consider questions of:
...and it also reinforces group bonds by showing each other that we can discuss contentious topics without attacking someone for saying the wrong thing. It is my opinion that these topics are neccessary and proper discussion material, not just as a matter of public policy, but as a matter of identifying what sort of values the people you're among hold. I would argue that the cow question, seriously pondered, would serve a similar function.
Now, that alone doesn't justify making the question gross. I can forsee your counterargument that if you want to discuss those topics, it's possible to just discuss them instead of posing a hypothetical. But the purpose of the grossness is additionally to determine whether people will change their answer based on the salience of the question (as opposed to the fundamental moral rules being queried.) We can ask the trolley question with famous pieces of artwork, or even other people's pokemon cards, instead of humans. In theory people should reason about the question purely based on whether they're utilitarians or deontologists... but in practice, many people will change their answer because their moral principles are inconsistent or nonexistent. Elevating the emotional impact of the scenario while keeping the fundamentals the same is a way of catching out those people.
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Answering "but I did eat breakfast this morning" to that question on themotte is more likely than not an interaction 1 level higher than the question, not 1 level lower.
I understand that he was mocking the question, and that's exactly what I was trying to test: whether he was willing to discuss whether hypothetical questions were useful or whether he would dodge that discussion in favor of the quick gotcha. This should have been obvious from the fact that I even bothered asking the question: obviously, I couldn't think he was actually stupid enough to fail the question or I wouldn't be trying to have a debate. Rather, I was hoping for a counter-move where he called out the implication that avoiding hypothetical questions was stupid because of [whatever argument he wanted to make.]
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