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In other words the sort of thing that a large enough segment of a tribe believes utterly that it sets long-term political outcomes? Or are you going to argue that the beliefs you describe are rare among blues, or have not significantly shaped Blue politics over the last decade-and-change?
As @gattsuru notes, enough people have been in favor of it that it has already happened at considerable scale.
...Polling the current voting pool, right? What do the numbers look like for the post-amnesty voting pool?
I'm MAGA. I'm not interested in a "Red Tribe" without the MAGA tendencies. Those are my tendencies. I intend to keep them, and to coordinate meanness against anyone who would deny them to me. I'm not interested in asking Blues permission to live in pursuit of my values. Why would I be?
We can observe the voting pattern of immigrants who can legally vote, and we can poll the ones who can't legally vote currently. My understanding is that they lean overwhelmingly democrat/progressive/blue. "you can always change your policies to appeal to the new voters who prefer to vote for policies like ours" does not seem to me to fit the definition of a compromise; Red Tribe has already compromised as much and possibly significantly more than it can afford to, to the point that we are now employing lifelong democrats as our champions.
But in the end, arguing over whether the Dems might perform an amnesty and whether they might secure political closure thereby seems less interesting to me than the question of what the response should be should these events transpire. What should Red Tribe do, in your opinion, if the Democrats were to win an election, legalize all the immigrants, and then win the next election in a landslide? What is the prudent, reasonable, responsible action we should coordinate behind?
Suppose further that Elections Have Consequences, and Blue Tribe takes this victory and begins doing very Blue things to Reds nation-wide, in ways that we consider profoundly harmful and unjust? What is the peaceful, orderly, political solution in that eventuality, unlikely as you consider it to be?
I disagree. The First Amendment cannot protect me in any meaningful way from the coordinated meanness of Blues. The last decade has provided numerous and pointed examples as to why and how this is so. I do not care about your explanations that the coordinated ruin of my life for daring to speak my mind publicly actually isn't what the First Amendment was designed to prevent, so it's totally okay. I care that I cannot speak freely without disastrous consequences, that Blue Tribe has expended vast resources to make things this way, and that neither you nor any other moderate or blue, individually or collectively, has ever or will ever do anything to change that.
My project is to point out that faith in the American sociopolitical system is disastrously misplaced. I am not the person who made that true. I merely insist on pointing out that it is true, and what the obvious consequences of it being true are. Things that have happened have happened, even when them happening is highly incompatible with faith in our present system of governance. This was why it was actually very important to keep them from happening, and failing that, to suitably punish those responsible and set a hard precedent that they wouldn't be tolerated in the future. Sadly, this didn't happen, and it didn't happen enough times that it's not really arguable that it's ever going to happen in any meaningful way under Blue or even moderate rule.
The only pushback Woke ever had was coordinated through Trump or through MAGA. Blues cheered it on, moderates kept their heads down, Reds suffered what they must, far, far, far past the point where conscience should have spoken. You can argue if you like that Woke had a point, or wasn't really that big a deal, or was blown out of proportion. The things I have seen Blues do, I am not willing to tolerate. The toleration shown for these things by Blues, whether grassroots or general population or leadership or elites, I am likewise not willing to tolerate. To the extent that you and other blues or moderates are willing to tolerate these things, I think it is reasonable to point out why that stance is likely to be a bad idea long-term, for obvious reasons of basic human nature.
Specific, deliberate Blue lies sparked the BLM movement and killed eight thousand Black Americans in a couple years, and they'll absolutely do it again. Specific, deliberate Blue lies have destroyed our educational system, ruining the best opportunity millions of American children of all races (but particularly blacks) might have had at a better life trajectory, and they will absolutely keep right on doing it indefinitely. They will never stop telling these lies, or the many other similar lies that form the foundation of the Progressive project. They will never learn, they will never repent, they will just keep right on ruining everything they touch so long as their access to other people's resources are maintained. The Cornell Seven are one of the most recent examples; basic object permanence should have prevented the entire episode, but that is not a capability Blues as a social collective possess.
I understand that you and others here have strong negative views on Donald Trump and his supporters. I understand that you believe these opinions to be well-founded. I do not want to discourage you or others in any way from expressing them. What I do want you to understand is that my attitude toward Blue Tribe is, as best as I am able to determine, derived from a solid factual foundation. I will not do you the disservice of pretending as though your disgust with Trump or even MAGA is some sort of elaborate misunderstanding based on fictions and rumor. You might do me a similar courtesy. Politicians who do not appear to disgust you have talked about how seeing my children murdered would be a good thing, and people very much like you looked the other way, or cheered. Politicians who do not appear to disgust you have allowed masked men armed with loaded rifles to take over public spaces and shoot at people, while ordering the police to stand down, and people like you looked the other way, or cheered. And on, and on, and on, and on. These are things I know for a fact you will either allow or are, at best, utterly powerless to prevent. That knowledge has serious consequences.
I've addressed this in my response to him here
You're welcome to keep them and in enclaves you can enforce them. But if you're unpopular then you're unpopular and in a democracy that means you don't get to run the show unless you become popular.
Become more popular, in the future don't use your political capital to do unpopular things like invading Iran, enacting retarded broad tariffs on our allies, threaten to invade our allies, spread election denial conspiracies leading to what at least is easy to sell as an insurrection and then pardon insurrectionists or hype up the Epstein hysteria and then conspicuously fail to release the files. I'm sorry but losing political power because your coalition did self destructive and unpopular shit is just democracy. I don't like that it's empowered DSA lunatics, I wish Trump had not done it but that's politics.
If you don't believe in the political project of the united states then you should leave.
Then you should be in agreement with the people who want to punish Trump as the guy who hijacked the anti-woke movement and steered it right in the dirt with his actions.
Backlash to BLM excesses was a factor in getting Trump a second bite at the apple. I'm trying to explain to you that the betrayal was from Trump. He sold you out to be unprecedentedly corrupt. Can you stop doing "but they're worse" in response to every criticism of Trump and the MAGA coalition? Yes, the far left is bad and has a terrible grip on the Democratic party but the far right is also bad and has a terrible grip on the Republican party, we're ping ponging back and forth because we're becoming powered almost entirely by negative polarization. You can't just point out that they suck, you have to suck less yourself too and this admin has been a total suck fest.
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