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I give up. You initially: "are very aware that they are not gentiles" and that that demonstrates that they don't see themselves as white. If you don't understand why a claim about religion identity, just as a matter of logic, does not imply anything about racial identity, I don't know what else to say. Ditto re the fact that some see Jewish people as an ethnic group, not just a religion: Italian-Americans and Irish-Americans are also ethnic groups, but if I said, "Joe O'Flaherty sees himself as Irish-American; therefore, he sees himself as non-White," you would quite correctly point out the logical flaw in my statement.
So, finally, the truth comes out: If a White person is not "pro-White," whatever that means, they are not really White. I guess because Glenn Loury and Thomas Sowell are not pro-Black, they are not really Black. And, BTW, there are pro-White Jewish "elements", but ironically, they tend to be the most religiously Orthodox Jewish people, and the ones most likely to physically live in Jewish enclaves.
I didn't say 'because of this logical argument this is true'. I stated it as something that's obviously true. I put it in bold and everything. I then gave examples of jews very obviously and consistently considering themselves as jews. I did this, and called what you were doing a wordgame, because who qualifies as 'white' doesn't matter to the proposition of whether or not jews insist on being separated as their own group. It can be true that jews pass as white and that they say they are white when they feel they benefit from it, but never actually consider themselves as being white. That they, in fact, otherize 'whites' and see them as an outgroup to their jewish ingroup.
I assumed that the "opposite" of hating whites was to be pro-white. I guess that's asking too much. I'd settle for non-hating and non-otherizing. Though that's not "opposite" by any means. I still draw quite a blank.
Other than that you said the statement I made about jews and their hatred and maliciousness towards 'whites' could not be justified unless I had data on how many jews say the opposite. I gave the answer that aside from a handful of individuals, there are none that I know of. You say that, actually, there are some Orthodox Jews who qualify as pro-white. Sure. I don't feel like my statement has been invalidated. But, as per request of mods, and in recognition that my post was not specific enough, I'll amend the original qualifier and say that when I talk about jews hating white people I am referring only to around 80% of jews rather than 90%.
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