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Women do experience sexual jealousy as well, not sure what your point is there.
Yes evolution is complex, pair-bonding did evolve and requires different investment as a strategy on the part of the male. All of this clearly happened and the different strategies can even be seen in different mammals, let alone the Savannah. Human males align with the different strategies and differ in their investment to loyal women vs promiscuous women.
Where is the contradiction?
My point is that you try to use the sexual jealousy of men as the backbone of your 'men want non-promiscuous partners, women want the opposite' theory. Obviously if men and women do not differ on jealousy, your theory goes down the drain. But it's even worse than that, because your theory predicts a sort of anti-jealousy for women.
The second contradiction, and this stands undisputed even by you, is that men do want to have sex with promiscuous women.
The third one is that our ancestors did not have the institution of monogamous marriage. It's clear they wanted to have sex with promiscuous women, and since the hormones released during sex lead to pair bonding, we can assume they were pair bonding with them. Anyway, if you have sources, I'd like to take a look.
I never said women want the opposite, where are you making this stuff up from? Your imagination is running wild. Of course women evolved sexual jealousy, although not in the exact same way as men.
"Hormones released during sex leads to pair-bonding" is highly simplistic. I don't have sources on hand and am not putting together stuff for some clown who can't read and accuses me of things I didn't say, but mating strategies are a widely studied topic.
You're being uncivil.
I took it from the subject we're discussing, redpiller's beliefs . As formulated by thasero in the highest upvoted comment in the thread: "Men like innocent partners, women like promiscuous partners." If you think this is stupid, say so, but I don't think you will, so spare me the fake strawman defense.
I'm responding for myself, you're the one accusing me of things I didn't say and being uncivil. My logic wasn't directly about how female jealousy works, while you said "your theory predicts a sort of anti-jealousy for women." No it doesn't, it just predicts a certain type of jealousy for men.
The comment above was about men and women being different, which, of course they are and do have different preferences. Female jealousy may be different, but I didn't say it doesn't exist or is always in the opposite direction of men. The point is that men have this hardwiring, and the fact that women don't have it the exact same way or in the same degree due to differing evolution pressures is not the same as "anti-jealousy". That's just silly and you are implying things that were never implied because you were thinking in terms of binaries while the situation is much more complex.
I'm not being uncivil by any stretch of the imagination. By 'your theory' I mean 'the redpill theory under discussion here, that you very likely adhere to'. I noticed you didn't actually deny the redpill belief, you just denied saying it.
At this point you're not making any sense. Redpill can mean many things. In terms of men and women being different, that's just basic biology and common sense. Our discussion was around why men can't give up their jealousy and how it's linked to paternity certainty. Our discussion did not revolve around women, who have their own evolutionary pressures.
I don't deny that men and women are different and I said so upthread, I'm on board with HBD generally. So either we never disagreed in the first place, or you are trying to wiggle out of defending your redpill beliefs on a fake technicality. Either way, let's call this a day. Your appeals to complexity are getting tiring anyway (have you never heard of parsimony?), and now you're questioning the meaning of words.
You're still not making any sense. Our debate was about whether men's worry about promiscuity is purely cultural and affected by paternity certainty. Dude anyone can read this thread, where am I wiggling? You brought up nothing of substance
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