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Theres a lot of off topic sentiment there. It’s quite possible to desegregate the prisons and penalise rape in prisons.
You didn’t read the statement if you think the CPG would describe transwomen as women.
„ The Communist Party is the only political party with a coherent political analysis of sex and gender. Gender as an ideological construct should not be confused or conflated with the material reality of biological sex. Gender is the vehicle through which misogyny is enacted and normalised. Gender identity ideology is well- suited to the needs of the capitalist class, focusing as it does on individual as opposed to collective rights, enabling and supporting the super-exploitation of women.“
The CPB contradicting itself isn't a problem of mine.
I'm hesitant to attach myself to any specific theory or definition relating to 'trans-anything' since there are so many, but it's a common feature for the vast majority of them to define 'trans acceptance' as an acceptance of the trans person as their identified gender. That means that you don't get to hold biology or anything else over their head in any way shape or form. Trans women are women and that's that. Anything else is not trans accepting but trans exclusionary. If you are trans exclusionary you are not supporting the right of trans people to live free from discrimination and prejudice. You are in fact doing the opposite.
Rape is already penalized in prisons. That doesn't stop it from happening. The thing that would actually drastically stop a lot of it from happening, along with a lot of the beatings, murders and so on, would be to segregate the prisons. But the vast majority of people decided that the cost, that included torturous beatings, rapes and murders, was worth it for the sake of whatever racial ideology they believed in.
With that being the case I don't see how it could possibly be such a tough hill to climb to just let trans people into whatever prison they want to. Not to be a smartass but just apply the same rubric you just applied to mens prisons and desegregation. It's quite possible to allow trans folk into whatever prison they want and penalize whatever negative that comes of it. Is it not?
Quoting that one paragraph again doesn’t help your argument.
If rape were properly penalised in prison it wouldn’t happen. In the US at least rape is part of the process.
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afraid to speak frankly or straightforwardly
If the CPB doesn't support trans rights then they shouldn't say that they support trans rights.
Brushing aside what appears, to me, to be an unfortunately 'low resolution' view on prison rape, pending clarification. What is the problem with letting trans people into womens prisons? Just "properly" penalize them so they don't do anything wrong.
Thats a lot of extra work to facilitate a fantasy.
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