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If you crux with 90% of trans people, they aren't going to have object level disagreements about the facts.
They'll agree that trans women do not have wombs and so on.
And if you break down their claim that they are a girl, it's probably going to boil down to their definition of 'girl' being different than yours.
I do think it's common for trans people, particular youth, to lack nuance with regards to this.
I do think fearful people (as in the case of many trans women) are susceptible to clinging to safe, oversimplified un-nuanced defensive ideologies. ("trans women are women")
I do think this has led in many cases to unfair expectations of how other people have to treat them to be ethical.
And- this is a 'mental illness', in the sense that it would be good for them and for everyone else to fix those issues. But those mental failure states occur in most of the human population around various hangups. It's hardly a trans thing. Removing the 'illness' would stop the trans twitter presence from being cancer, but it wouldn't change the fact that they like taking estrogen and getting f*****.
Trans girls know that they have XY chromosomes and no wombs, but they also know that they have Breasts, Soft Skin, Fem Voices, and that they feel euphoria when they are refereed to using the pronoun "she" and treated in accordance to the norms historically afforded to people with XX chromosomes.
There is a category that splits reality at the seams here. "They are just men" is not a very practical use of language. "Men" don't inject themselves with estrogen and pop Spiro. "Men" don't have a girl-smell. And I don't go looking for them when I want a good time.
I admit gladly, that "they are just women" is just as inaccurate. The based trans girls I know wear the trans label with pride and will gladly differentiate themselves from cis women among their dating group.
Their definition is usually incoherent, because their position is that the word 'girl' under current usage doesn't have one place where it cleaves reality at the seams. Question, is Barbie a Girl? No. She's a simulacra of a girl. But we call her one. If we can call a plastic simulacrum a girl, then we can call a male simulacrum a girl.
But you don't want to. I'm trying to empathise and understand myself.
I wonder if it's that you're holding onto it tightly because people have tried to forcibly pry you away from it.
Perhaps things would have gone differently if it had been a friend of yours politely asking the first time, just to make a small exception in how you treat men for them.
lol. look. it's fine. I don't think any of this will matter in a decade. And I don't think your language should be policed.
But when you look at a trans girl, please don't be too cruel when calling her a boy?
All I can think of is a girl named Alice, who lives alone in a small cabin secluded behind a group house, recovering inch by inch, from the scars the gay conversion camp left her with. Reading 'Men Trapped in Men's Bodies' of all things. And swearing by it. I get unreasonably caught up sometimes. With the trans people I've met. It's been very nice, heh. annoying? chatting here. The prediction error you see. When the people here describe their experiences with the contemporaries of the Alices I've met.
This argument pushes me the opposite way. I'd rather just stop calling Barbie a girl. If you're going to use my previous charity to grasp for more concessions, I'll rescind it all.
If you ask me for 50p, and I give it to you, and then you ask me for 50p more because "you already gave it to me once, how hard is it to do it again", well fuck you.
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