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its always other people that are best suited for slavery, never the people saying this.
making those illegal would be akin to slavery in that both involve an infringement upon property rights. arguably, slavery is defined by the state of lacking self-ownership, from which property ownership follows. So somebody paying half of their income as taxes to the state is in some sense a half slave to the state.
why do you care so much about other people's reproductive decisions?
Oh no, I would quite plausibly count myself among the natural-born slaves. I am emotionally incontinent, I have no control over my impulses, I am a coward and a liar. I could serve no better purpose than to be an instrument of a good cause. But there is a staggering paucity of good causes today.
Two main reasons:
We are told that, due to declining birthrates and an aging population, we are facing a labor shortage and ultimately an economic collapse. We are told that we must therefore import large numbers of immigrants - immigrants who are frequently low IQ, or racially foreign, or demanding of special privileges via DEI initiatives, etc. This is not desirable. The obvious solution is that if we don't have enough people, then the native population should simply make more people! This is preferable.
For most people, having children is the best chance they have at producing something that endures beyond the confines of their own lifespan. The average person has neither the inclination nor the ability to contribute to scientific knowledge, or produce great art, or do influential work in politics, or do anything else that leaves a meaningful and enduring legacy. Having no real reason to care about anything beyond their immediate sense perceptions, people are apt to spend their lives in idle hedonism, in the absence of external constraints. This is not a meaningful way to spend one's life. Having children forges a beyond between you and something outside of you, something beyond you. As a culture, we have forgotten the value of sacrifice. Reminding people of this value is a good thing.
Most racial DEI in the US benefits native Blacks. The little that benefits underachieving immigrant groups is counterbalanced by the overachieving immigrant groups who are harmed by DEI more than Whites. Likewise with IQ, assuming HBD is true.
Why is it "not desirable" that "racially foreign" people immigrate to the US? Non-WASP peoples have been immigrating to the US in large numbers for about two centuries now and nothing bad has happened. Is it just a personal preference?
Just read anything put out by the "alt right" from roughly 2015 to 2020. Rivers of ink were spilled over the course of years, I can't re-litigate the whole debate in a few posts. Kevin MacDonald's "Culture of Critique" is a good starting point.
south italians are about as racially foreign to nordic americans as jews are, do you have a problem with them too?
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not really, if there is a labor shortage then the available labor is offered high wages, so if you have kids they will be earning good. the problem is when your kids are forced to fund the pensions of old people who did not have kids of their own, but this is a problem with state policy and that is what should be changed to solve it.
In your second argument you are giving reasons why you believe it is in other people's interest to have kids, but you do not explain why it is in your interest to force them to have kids. You say reminding people of the value of sacrifice is a good thing, but I have no problem with you reminding people of that as part of your pro natalist message, my problem is with you wanting them to be coerced into having kids they don't want to have.
LMAO you literally got shown up. I've had the same response when I say that there should be a ruling class above the proles to make decisions for them with the usual refrain "you think that's because you believe you want to be part of that class".
In reality my temperament is not suitable for being a ruler, I'm much more of a "move fast and break things" kind of guy, and that type is not suitable for ruling over the masses, but I fully realise that there exist others who have the right paternal temperament and we would be a lot better off if they were put in charge of the long term strategy of society rather than the current veneer + safeguards we have over mob rule.
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