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Culture War Roundup for the week of April 24, 2023

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Dr. GPT will see you now

I've often noted around these parts that GPT-4 is a really good clinician. It would be hard for it not to be one, I'd be bloody amazing too if I had quasi-eidetic memory of most relevant diagnostic criteria and guidelines. That being said, just the guidelines alone are next to useless, you need to have the crystalline intelligence to apply it in a specific context.

I'd go so far as to say that it's a better, more competent doctor than the majority of human ones, even if it isn't outright superhuman (I've seen some ridiculously good human ones). I read with some humor an article about how it was tested by some bigshot hospital in the US (Harvard Med?) as a clinical adjunct, but by the end of it, the Clinical Director was praising its bedside manner, in the sense that it was kind, compassionate, patient and understanding, and outright suggested human doctors try and emulate that(!).

However, I have one resounding advantage over it namely that thanks to decades of regulatory bullshit, I have a certificate saying I can legally prescribe meds and it can't. L Bozo 💅, as the kids these days say haha.

Still, it would be remiss of me not to make use of it to improve my own skills while that's still relevant, so of late, I've tried using it to hone my own clinical skills. I have it write clinical vignettes that I solve, and then it grades me on my performance.

So far, it's done an excellent job, and funnily enough, I feel a tingling of pride when it says I did a good job. Why wouldn't I? It's a smarter and more decent entity than most humans I've had the displeasure of meeting.

Here's an example:

Clinical Vignette: A 42-year-old male patient presents to the emergency department with sudden onset severe, colicky pain in the right flank and lower abdomen that began 6 hours ago. He also reports nausea, vomiting, and an urgent need to urinate. The patient has a history of hypertension, which is controlled with medication. His vital signs are: blood pressure of 145/95 mmHg, pulse rate of 100 bpm, respiratory rate of 20 breaths/min, and temperature of 99.1°F (37.3°C). Upon physical examination, there is tenderness to percussion on the right side of the lower abdomen and right flank, and the patient appears restless, frequently shifting positions.

What is your diagnosis and treatment plan?

My response:

My diagnosis is a case of a stone in the right ureter.

In terms of management, I'll start IV fluids and insert a catheter. IV antibiotics are to be started according to hospital guidelines.

IV morphine should be given as pain control, along with IV antiemetics.

An Xray KUB or USG should be ordered to identify the size of the stone, and then further treatment depends on said size. A wait and watch policy is appropriate for sub 2mm stones, while larger ones might need surgical removal.

Assessment:

Grade: A

Your response demonstrates a strong understanding of the clinical presentation and management of ureteral stones.

Diagnosis: Your diagnosis of a stone in the right ureter is appropriate given the patient's sudden onset severe, colicky pain in the right flank and lower abdomen, nausea, vomiting, and urgency to urinate. The physical examination findings, such as tenderness to percussion and restlessness, also support this diagnosis.

Treatment Plan: Your plan to start IV fluids and insert a catheter is appropriate for initial management, monitoring, and providing relief to the patient. Initiating IV antibiotics may not be necessary unless there are signs of infection or sepsis; however, following hospital guidelines is always a wise choice.

Administering IV morphine for pain control and IV antiemetics for nausea and vomiting are essential parts of the treatment plan.

Ordering an X-ray KUB (kidneys, ureters, and bladder) or ultrasound (USG) is appropriate to confirm the diagnosis and determine the size of the stone, which will guide further management. As you mentioned, a conservative approach of observation and pain management may be suitable for small stones (less than 5 mm) that are likely to pass spontaneously, while larger stones may require surgical removal or other intervention, such as extracorporeal shock wave lithotripsy (ESWL) or ureteroscopy.

Overall, your response demonstrates excellent clinical knowledge in identifying and managing a patient with suspected ureteral stone. Well done!

Honestly, as a pedagogical tool for medical education, it's unparalleled. I paid a great deal less attention in med school than I should have, from the month of anatomy classes I can't remember because I was getting frisky under the bench, to the period where I was severely depressed and barely dragging myself to class. I used to be very insecure about my knowledge base, but I did pull together and single-handedly teach myself most of the things I'd glossed over while preparing for the PLAB.

I've tried a similar method on GPT-3.5, and it was inadequate to the task. It made a lot more errors, and ended up confused often enough to be annoying. Till date, I haven't seen 4 fumble the bag once. I'd put their competency around the marks of a decent final year student versus a competent postgraduate resident

It could do my job, but it currently can't. Not legally at any rate, and even if you can trivially quiz it for accurate medical knowledge, good luck getting a valid prescription out of it.

I don't make the rules, but a man's got to eat, and I might as well eat up while I can, because starvation is looming in my future.

I mean, even if I don't outright starve, I'd rather not end up with little or no money to my name. India certainly can't support any meaningful welfare for its populace, and while standards are low, people aren't going to be happy with settling for meals and little else.

The West can certainly do better, which is why I'm moving my ass there pronto in the hopes I can wrangle citizenship.

Take everything here with a pinch of salt because I'm hardly an expert:

India has always been a secondary consideration for foreign companies looking to perform manufacturing, and the only reason several large companies have started shifting substantial minorities of their production here is because of rising wages in China coupled with their self-induced geopolitical uncertainty.

In order for a country to successfully weather the shock of rapid automation, from my perspective it either needs a great deal of money to buy-in, or large numbers of existing factories that can be easily automated. The former describes the US and most of the West, and the latter describes China. I wouldn't be surprised if both entities managed to make it through with only modest disruption.

On the other hand, India has neither. When other countries begin automating faster than we can with our limited funds, the export value of our goods will drop (but so will the import costs of foreign goods?), reducing the value of our money greatly. We'll have to compete for raw resources that others can afford to pay significantly more for, given their grossly increased productivity.

Add in the effects of unemployment of highly skilled sections of the work force, the kind of people who bring in large amounts of foreign money, such as remote workers, and automation will strike from the top and work down. It'll take time for the government to afford an UBI, and the costs of keeping an increasingly large unproductive chunk of the populace fed will be debilitating.

I'm doubtful of the country's governance capitalizing on the benefits in time to outweigh the massive disruption it'll cause, but once again, I'm no expert.

I've actually come to the opposite conclusion, at least in the short term -- I've found that ChatGPT (4, unless otherwise specified) often understands the purpose and high-level practice of my job better than I do, but also can't do some of the simplest (to me) parts of my job. Concrete examples:

  1. I had a nasty architectural problem in the application I work with, where the design was pulling the shape of the code in two incompatible directions. I gave ChatGPT some context on what directions the code was being pulled (think "REST vs RPC", if that means anything to you) and what considerations were causing the codebase to be pulled in those incompatible directions, and ChatGPT was able to suggest some frankly great changes to our process and codebase structure to alleviate that conflict.

  2. I am trying to do a crash course in mechanistic interpretability for ML, and this involves reading a lot of dense, math-heavy research papers. My level of math expertise is "I took math classes in high school". Despite that, I was able to feed ChatGPT a paragraph of a research paper involving esoteric stuff about finite groups and representation theory, and it was able to explain the concepts to me on a level where I could implement, in code, demonstrations of the phenomena the paper was talking about (and understand exactly why my code worked).

  3. When I was trying to understand "what happens if you literally just turn on backpropagation to train a language model on its own output, why doesn't that Just Work for solving the long-term memory problem?" I asked ChatGPT for 5 examples of things that would go wrong and search terms to look up to explain the academic research around each failure mode. And it did. And it was right, and looking up the search terms gave me a much deeper understanding than I had before.

  4. On the flip side, ChatGPT is hilariously incapable of debugging stuff. For instance, when I provide it with code and a stack trace of an error, it suggests doing vaguely plausible actions that occasionally work but it kinda feels like a coincidence when they do. It honestly feels like working with a junior developer who struggles with basic concepts like "how does a for loop work".

  5. I have also found that ChatGPT struggles quite a bit if I feed it a paragraph of an academic paper that makes a specific claim and ask it to come up with potential observations that would provide evidence against that claim. I've tried a bunch of different wordings of this task, without much success. I suspect that the reason for this is the same reason ChatGPT is so bad at debugging.

Specifically where I think ChatGPT falls down is in things that require a specific, gears-level understanding of how things work. What I mean by that is that sometimes, to truly understand a system, you have to be able to understand each individual part of the system, and then you have to understand how those parts fit together to determine the behavior of the system as a whole.

Where it excels is in solving problems where the strategy "look at similar problems in the past, see how those were solved, and suggest an analogous solution" works. It's really fucking amazing at analogies, and it has seen approximately every heuristic everyone has ever used in writing, so this strategy works sometimes even when you don't expect it to.

Still, "debugging stuff that is not working like the theory says it should" is a significant fraction of my job, and I suspect a significant part of many people's jobs. I don't think ChatGPT in its current form will directly replace people in those kinds of roles, and as such I don't think it would work as a drop-in replacement for most jobs. However, people who don't adapt can and probably will be left behind, as it's a pretty strong force multiplier.

I’ve found some of the same. I gave it a task of extrapolating the future of the Dune book series, and (it’s in my post history here) it failed miserably. The thing that struck me about the exercise is that it seems to struggle with understanding the pieces of the problem and what each wants to do. It knew of the Bene Gesseret, the Mentats, the space guild, and the houses, and even the events. But treating them as objects with intentions, or even putting the events of the past in order (it thought that the Butlerian Jihad was future in the timeline, rather than the past when it happened thousands of years before the answer I was seeking).

It’s generally smart enough to know which well-worn path to follow, but fails at looking at parts and extrapolating a conclusion.