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Culture War Roundup for the week of May 29, 2023

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I'll just try to answer here instead of having two threads for the same points.

I believe that using constitutional means of removing elected representatives in favor of bureaucrats approved by the real power structure is accurately characterized as a coup.

I believe that the current regime in place in the United Kingdom is no less totalitarian than the one in China. I believe it has similarly declared totalitarian designs, when challenged it has made similar exceptions to individual freedoms, and it has no ideological mechanism to stop it from growing more oppressive to those it sees as it's ennemies.

I can name ennemies that have suffered similar repression and harassment. I can name truths that are not allowed to be said. I can name people killed without trial. I can name ethnicities whose property has been seized. I can name statutes that allow the government to break the law. And now I can even name ethnic cleansing initiatives.

I don't like that things are the way they are. But I don't think it's in any way rational to consider the UK a free state. And I would like the case to say it is one still is to be explicitly stated and solid enough it doesn't sound word for word like Chinese propaganda.

I'm glad to be wrong. But why is the UK in any sense of the word freeer than China?

I can name ennemies that have suffered similar repression and harassment. I can name truths that are not allowed to be said. I can name people killed without trial. I can name ethnicities whose property has been seized. I can name statutes that allow the government to break the law.

Please do.

And now I can even name ethnic cleansing initiatives.

The initiative under discussion here clearly discriminates based on ethnicity and may reasonably be called racist and even, given that it is coming from a state institution, institutionally racist. Yet it is still very far from ethnic cleansing, which is the targeted killing or expulsion of ethnic groups from large geographic areas. Unless you had a different example in mind, no, there is no ethnic cleansing in the UK.

But why is the UK in any sense of the word freeer than China?

White Britons are yet to be placed in concentration camps.

I believe that using constitutional means of removing elected representatives in favor of bureaucrats approved by the real power structure is accurately characterized as a coup.

This is a complete misstatement of what happened. Going through each mistake here. Boris was not removed as an elected representative, he is still in the position to which he was elected; he was never 'elected' as a PM by the people, other elected representatives gave him that position and so they can take it away. He was not replaced by 'bureaucrats' in any sense, Sunak is an MP in exactly the same manner as Johnson, and is PM by the same implicit process. Who or what is the real power structure? He was removed by elected representatives who feared keeping him in would sink them at the next election, as the polling evidence indicated that it would. In fact, this shows the remarkable responsiveness of the Westminster system to public opinion. By electing MPs we invest them with the power to choose the Prime Minister, that is a fundamentally sound democratic process and has been the case for centuries. Your case implies that no Westminster system anywhere can ever have been legitimate by design, which is absurd.

I can name ennemies that have suffered similar repression and harassment. I can name truths that are not allowed to be said. I can name people killed without trial. I can name ethnicities whose property has been seized. I can name statutes that allow the government to break the law. And now I can even name ethnic cleansing initiatives.

Care to do so? Or shall we simply remain the land of vague generalisations.

But why is the UK in any sense of the word better than China?

Just sticking to the freedom of the press for now (there are many other issues of course but best to go one at a time). To put this in the simplest terms, what substantial opinions do you think one cannot express in Britain?

He was not replaced by 'bureaucrats' in any sense, Sunak is an MP in exactly the same manner as Johnson, and is PM by the same implicit process. Who or what is the real power structure?

Yeah and Charles III is a king in the same sense Charles I is.

Truss' removal had nothing to do with the BoE and power rests with the British people.

You're free to believe such delusions but don't expect me not to notice that they're as fictitious as China's.

Care to do so?

Let's just do one of each.

Tommy Robinson. Biological sex is immutable. The Springhill massacre. Russians.

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