site banner

Culture War Roundup for the week of June 19, 2023

This weekly roundup thread is intended for all culture war posts. 'Culture war' is vaguely defined, but it basically means controversial issues that fall along set tribal lines. Arguments over culture war issues generate a lot of heat and little light, and few deeply entrenched people ever change their minds. This thread is for voicing opinions and analyzing the state of the discussion while trying to optimize for light over heat.

Optimistically, we think that engaging with people you disagree with is worth your time, and so is being nice! Pessimistically, there are many dynamics that can lead discussions on Culture War topics to become unproductive. There's a human tendency to divide along tribal lines, praising your ingroup and vilifying your outgroup - and if you think you find it easy to criticize your ingroup, then it may be that your outgroup is not who you think it is. Extremists with opposing positions can feed off each other, highlighting each other's worst points to justify their own angry rhetoric, which becomes in turn a new example of bad behavior for the other side to highlight.

We would like to avoid these negative dynamics. Accordingly, we ask that you do not use this thread for waging the Culture War. Examples of waging the Culture War:

  • Shaming.

  • Attempting to 'build consensus' or enforce ideological conformity.

  • Making sweeping generalizations to vilify a group you dislike.

  • Recruiting for a cause.

  • Posting links that could be summarized as 'Boo outgroup!' Basically, if your content is 'Can you believe what Those People did this week?' then you should either refrain from posting, or do some very patient work to contextualize and/or steel-man the relevant viewpoint.

In general, you should argue to understand, not to win. This thread is not territory to be claimed by one group or another; indeed, the aim is to have many different viewpoints represented here. Thus, we also ask that you follow some guidelines:

  • Speak plainly. Avoid sarcasm and mockery. When disagreeing with someone, state your objections explicitly.

  • Be as precise and charitable as you can. Don't paraphrase unflatteringly.

  • Don't imply that someone said something they did not say, even if you think it follows from what they said.

  • Write like everyone is reading and you want them to be included in the discussion.

On an ad hoc basis, the mods will try to compile a list of the best posts/comments from the previous week, posted in Quality Contribution threads and archived at /r/TheThread. You may nominate a comment for this list by clicking on 'report' at the bottom of the post and typing 'Actually a quality contribution' as the report reason.

10
Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

That assumes the US will coddle them on the way out, and the US has no reason to coddle them on the way out. I think the best case scenario is that the US agrees to maintain the status quo in trade (i.e. agree not to impose any unilateral tariffs or restrictions), maintains the US citizenship status of all Texans born prior to secession, and agrees to continue entitlement payments to those who earned them as they would US citizens living abroad. But that would still come with a hard exit date.

The most realistic scenario is that the US government simply rolls their eyes at Texas and acts like nothing happened. Now Texas has to take some affirmative action demonstrating that it isn't in the US, which I doubt it has the balls to actually do. This doesn't have to be something dramatic and violent like trying to take over a US military base or preventing the collection of Federal Income Tax, but I doubt they'd try even the anodyne stuff that isn't even illegal. For instance, do you think that Ted Cruz and John Cornyn (not to mention the entire House delegation) are going to immediately come back from Washington? Is the state government going to discourage (let alone prevent) its citizens from participating in Federal elections? Is the state government going to turn down Federal highway funding? Are they going to raise taxes in anticipation of not having such funding in the future? Are they going to barricade small roads at the Arkansas border and establish customs checkpoints on larger ones? Are they going to start sending their own foreign delegations to other countries? I think we know the answer to all of these questions.