site banner

Culture War Roundup for the week of August 7, 2023

This weekly roundup thread is intended for all culture war posts. 'Culture war' is vaguely defined, but it basically means controversial issues that fall along set tribal lines. Arguments over culture war issues generate a lot of heat and little light, and few deeply entrenched people ever change their minds. This thread is for voicing opinions and analyzing the state of the discussion while trying to optimize for light over heat.

Optimistically, we think that engaging with people you disagree with is worth your time, and so is being nice! Pessimistically, there are many dynamics that can lead discussions on Culture War topics to become unproductive. There's a human tendency to divide along tribal lines, praising your ingroup and vilifying your outgroup - and if you think you find it easy to criticize your ingroup, then it may be that your outgroup is not who you think it is. Extremists with opposing positions can feed off each other, highlighting each other's worst points to justify their own angry rhetoric, which becomes in turn a new example of bad behavior for the other side to highlight.

We would like to avoid these negative dynamics. Accordingly, we ask that you do not use this thread for waging the Culture War. Examples of waging the Culture War:

  • Shaming.

  • Attempting to 'build consensus' or enforce ideological conformity.

  • Making sweeping generalizations to vilify a group you dislike.

  • Recruiting for a cause.

  • Posting links that could be summarized as 'Boo outgroup!' Basically, if your content is 'Can you believe what Those People did this week?' then you should either refrain from posting, or do some very patient work to contextualize and/or steel-man the relevant viewpoint.

In general, you should argue to understand, not to win. This thread is not territory to be claimed by one group or another; indeed, the aim is to have many different viewpoints represented here. Thus, we also ask that you follow some guidelines:

  • Speak plainly. Avoid sarcasm and mockery. When disagreeing with someone, state your objections explicitly.

  • Be as precise and charitable as you can. Don't paraphrase unflatteringly.

  • Don't imply that someone said something they did not say, even if you think it follows from what they said.

  • Write like everyone is reading and you want them to be included in the discussion.

On an ad hoc basis, the mods will try to compile a list of the best posts/comments from the previous week, posted in Quality Contribution threads and archived at /r/TheThread. You may nominate a comment for this list by clicking on 'report' at the bottom of the post and typing 'Actually a quality contribution' as the report reason.

9
Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

Assuming you live in an urban centre, when factoring in traffic, cycling will often end up being faster than driving or taking public transport.

Big assumption. My commute is from an outlying town to a city center, a journey that takes 30 minutes by car, along mainly 60mph speed limit roads. I travel along maybe one mile of roads slower than that the entire way there, since the city's main A-road cuts directly through the center.

As I said, you can do this if you attach a trailer to your bike.

At the expense of looking like an utter tool, or a child towing their mobile lemonade stand to the next location. And having to worry about cornering too sharply and tipping the whole thing over.

Obviously there are circumstances in which cars are preferable to bikes, but seriously - how often do you go to IKEA? I can't imagine it's more than once a month.

Whenever I need something, and it's not the only store out there I'd need it for. Carrying a framed painting from an art store back on a bike would be an exercise in frustration and anxiety. Trying to carry a very heavy ornate mirror or light shade from an antiques store would be worse.

It isn't remotely difficult to cycle a bike with one hand and operate your phone with the other. I do it all the time.

And have to shout over the rushing air? It's bad enough when walking near a busy road let alone being in the middle of one.

I must say, it seems very strange for a person so aggressively averse to apparently all forms of physical exercise to be so hyper image-conscious.

Is it so completely out of the realm of possibility that a person can be slim and attractive without boring themselves half to death by doing braindead and repetitive busywork tasks constantly? My experience in the school system left me with less than zero patience for such things.

I'm not trying to normalise it. It IS normal where I live, as in most Western nations. Only in America, seemingly, is cycling seen as this weird thing that only losers do.

I'm in the UK, and among my peers it's considered a niche thing that is mainly the domain of children, eco loons or retirees. Everyone else on the road despises cyclists because they're super slow and utterly entitled.

Is it so completely out of the realm of possibility that a person can be slim and attractive without boring themselves half to death by doing braindead and repetitive busywork tasks constantly?

In my experience, yes. Although cycling via commuting is a good example of a form of exercise which does not fall under "busywork".

Whereas in my experience, 90% of weight loss happens in the kitchen.