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Tenaz
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My last conversation here was about precisely this though I don't think I did a good job of explaining myself.
They themselves presumably agree on this principle, because as you note, they believe that all traditional churches have fallen from the faith.
We still think traditional churches are Christian, though.
I agree that at some point it's reasonable to have a dividing line. Simply worshipping an entity called "Jesus", whatever the nature of your worship and your idea of who Jesus is, is not enough to be Christian. On the other hand, was the thief on the cross Christian? Sociologically, absolutely not, but in truth I'd argue that he was Christian, despite probably knowing virtually nothing of even core Christian doctrine.
Categories in general are made for man, and when it really comes down to it, which category to sort a group into depends on what you are using that category for. If your main use of the term "Christian," like most Christians, is to identify people who you believe are saved (whose faith is not misplaced, whose doctrine about Christ is close enough to reality, etc.), you probably don't consider Mormons part of that group. But I hope you recognize this is a more complex theological issue than it appears at first glance, and the assertion that "Mormons aren't Christian" is primarily a theological point, fairly irrelevant to those who do not recognize your theology as true.
token_progressive
maybe not the only progressive here
7m ago
The idea of deciding what content to view based on what an advertising company recommends to me instead of because an actual human recommended it strikes me as completely unhinged. It also seems to be how the vast majority of users interact with the internet for the most part.
teleoplexy
13m ago
In the first post you say that you are posting a book here and the submission statement is pretty vague. I'd appreciate if you could put something more concrete forward - why do you think anyone should read this?
orthoxerox
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17m ago
Given that Russia has stifling gun control, it's a can of bear spray or a "gunshot imitator" here. Which is basically a plastic barrelless flare/flashbang "pistol".
I did, more or less, once upon a time, and the only reason I'm back is because I managed to throttle it down to about 2% of what I originally wanted to say.
Like one point specifically? Or out of all of the things you want to say, you voice only 2%? I'd love to hear you elaborate - what are you filtering? Why? If you think it's going to get you banned I'd be happy to receive a bullet list in a DM, if you have enough spare time to type it out
Tenaz
24m ago
Great take, but I want to quibble on a point.
The actual equivalent question to “Are Mormons Christians?”, posed from the other side, is “Are Protestants and Catholics Saints?”
"Saint" isn't really an official term for Mormons. We don't believe all Mormons are saints or that all non-Mormons are not saints. "Latter-day saints" is aspirational.
I don't think there really is an equivalent question to "Are Mormons Christians?". That question gets to basically the very foundation of Christian doctrine--is Mormon faith efficacious? Are we saved even if we believe in "a different Jesus?" The answer, as far as most of broader Christianity is concerned, seems to be no. LDS doctrine is simply not so exclusive of those with doctrinal disagreements.
orthoxerox
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33m ago
FistfullOfCrows
45m ago
EA is the devil, I still have not forgivven them for doing in Westwood. It's a great pain to me they own the Battlefield franchise, I loved 1 & 2 myself. The new one looks promising but I'm waiting to see how they'll manage to fuck it up.
To clarify, I flounced once, and was able to return because in the heat of the moment I managed to throttle down the message to 2% of what I wanted to say, and so did not completely burn my bridges here.
I do not generally want to say those things any more, and even in my worse moments I want to want to not say them.
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