Capital_Room
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Disabled Alaskan Monarchist doomer
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Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
19hr ago
As I see it, a big problem here is something that lawyer Youtuber "Legal Mindset" notes with his recent "don't report them to HR, report them to OSHA" video, this part of "cancel culture" is actually downstream from the law — corporations are legally required to take action. This, because OSHA rules require employers to maintain a "safe working environment," and various precedents hold that this includes when employee speech makes the workplace "unsafe." Indeed, as I understand it, much of the early waves of cancel culture were made possible by these legal rulings (sought by the Left). If celebrating murder, and making "do [insert name here] next" comments don't fall under "unsafe work" environment, then how can any other speech?
Now, you can argue that this is bad law that stifles free speech; and some on the left are now doing that… but most of those I'm seeing were fine with these laws stifling speech when it was being used the other direction, and only upset that it's being enforced bidirectionally. It reminds me of the complaints about the Trump admin using civil rights anti-discrimination law (written in a "colorblind" manner) against anti-white discrimination: that don't you know that, however it's written on paper, it's only actually supposed to be enforced one way, and how dare the Right do to us what we've been doing to them! (Like that historian I can't remember argued, "fascism" is when the right uses the left's methods against the left, as opposed to remaining Hlynka-esque "virtuous losers" dreaming of martyrdom.)
Your rules applied fairly > Your rules applied unfairly. Maybe after the left spends some time on the wrong end of the "cancel culture" weapon they've made, we might get some broader support for rolling back some of these laws in favor of broader workplace speech protections. But if the history of warfare (like chemical weapons in WWI) shows anything, it's that you don't get these sorts of "arms limitations treaties" until after the weapon gets used in both directions.
And until OSHA regulations around "unsafe work environments" are changed, corporations have to take action against these employees.
Capital_Room
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2d ago
The argument I’m seeing from the left that he was actually a Groyper and all the antifascist slogans were ironic has an amusing resemblance to Holocaust denial.
Meanwhile, the argument I'm seeing on Tumblr is that he's just some innocent guy the FBI are framing for some reason. Like the post simply asking: "Does anyone actually believe it was Tyler Robinson?" and so on.
Then, there was Kotaku founder, Polygon cofounder, and journalist for Variety and Rolling Stone Brian Crecente's "argument"
Oof, Charlie Kirk’s boys should have used the same team that faked Trump’s shooting. This is what happens when you try to save money on your false flag operations.
Capital_Room
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2d ago
The right has more guns.
And much less willingness to use them, especially in vigilante killings.
Capital_Room
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2d ago
I still think of myself as a socialist, perhaps less so recently, and I want to shake this person and ask what good this kind of statement actually does for our cause.
Well, to quote one trans activist's video:
You don’t have to like violence, but I’m confused at how you thought the revolution would be magically bloodless.
Capital_Room
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3d ago
Agreed. I didn't say it was a good argument, just that this is another sort of person on the right who disliked Kirk.
Capital_Room
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3d ago
There's unconfirmed reports that the rifle was a Mauser bolt-action, with antifa/pro-trans statements carved on the cartridges found alongside the weapon.
CNN referred to them as "cultural phrases" and "phrases related to cultural issues" in their reporting.
Capital_Room
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3d ago
Were there more?
The TRS/1488 crowd? Particularly the ones who are currently blaming this on Da Joos, like this specimen on Twitter:
It had to be Mossad.
They did this to say “if you step out of line in the slightest, we will kill you in the most gruesome way, while the entire world is watching and then laugh. Fall in line goyim.”
There are stories like this all over that people are sharing, of living covert lives in deep blue areas, and the naked bloodlust on display constantly. If you think wanting Trump, his supporters, and his staff dead isn't a mainstream Democrat position, you have either constructed a labyrinth of cognitive dissonance about why it "doesn't count" because it's simply so common it's normal to you, or you are lying. And I don't care how many liars come out now with their mealy mouthed "We do not condone violence" rehearsed speeches. I refuse to forget the last 10 years.
Yes, a thousand times, this.
I think it was Seamus Coughlin on Auron MacIntyre's recent show who made the point that the Left have always been violent at their core, since they first began in the French Revolution and brought the Reign of Terror. (And I think it was Auron who went from there that this explains why they tend to ally with Muslims — despite all their differences, they're both violent movements that want sincere Christians dead.)
Edit:
Of course that didn't stop Destiny from saying it's a good thing an innocent bystander was killed, because that still means one less Trump supporter. Didn't seem to impact his career one iota, though it seems his unhinged behavior has finally dimmed his star somewhat in recent months.
And now we'll see what the effect on his popularity is from his current take on this issue:
It's gonna be a call for the left to condemn, or disavow, or whatever the fuck. Anybody on the left that does any sort of disavowal whatever bullshit, I think is cucked and weak. I saw Newsom doing it earlier. Umm, no.
Capital_Room
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3d ago
And it's not just the nameless and faceless grunts, or bluesky, or the people who skinsuited a project I once respected.
I'll add to this a Public Affairs officer for the Army at Fort Bragg, Major Guillermo Muñiz:
Ladies and gentlemen, the constitution exists to protect you from government persecution. It does not protect you from being held accountable for your actions by other people.
If you choose to make a living by actively talking crapand pissing people off, you should expect for someone to want to hurt you someday.
It's literally a FAFO situation
Capital_Room
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3d ago
If right-wing America was to turn violent today, what would it do ?
Eradicate the Blue Tribe as a culture.
Overthrow the friendliest Govt they've had in decades ?
If by "friendly" you mean "slightly less hostile," in that our mostly-meaningless elections have put some (ostensibly) "friendly" politicians into the mostly-powerless figurehead positions that are elected office, while the Deep State and >90% lefty Permanent Bureaucracy that actually rule remain just as hostile as ever.
Replace democracy with something else ?
As a monarchist, I say hell yes! Bring on our Augustus!
Turn autocratic to suppress their enemies, and in the process become who they hate most ?
I am sick and tired of this "if you kill your enemy you'll become him" trope. It's an overused cliché coming from Hollywood, and it's even worse as a real-world argument. There is more than just one single thing that distinguishes me and mine from my enemies. An Red Tribe turned "autocratic" is still a totally different thing from the Blue Tribe, along axes far more important than the one you're pointing to here. Suppressing my enemies — eradicating their culture from the earth — will not make me "become them" on any dimension I care about.
When I think of outcomes, there are radical options that are achievable democratically.
And how do I achieve the total destruction of the Blue Tribe as a culture, set of values, way of life, et cetera, through democratic means?
Capital_Room
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3d ago
the point where backlash is inevitable
Not only is backlash not inevitable, it's incredibly unlikely. There'll be some grumbling, some muttering, and then we'll just roll over and take it like the powerless, ground-down peasants we are.
There is virtually no way to paint him as a 'valid target'. Oh he said things you disagree with? He came into your ideological havens and confronted you directly? Boo fucking hoo get better ideas I guess.
At least one (now former) MSNBC political activist sure tried:
He’s been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to, hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions. And I think that is the environment we are in. You can’t stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have and then saying these awful words and not expect awful actions to take place. And that’s the unfortunate environment we are in.
Edit: Dowd also speculated that Kirk might have been accidentally shot by "a supporter shooting their gun off in celebration" (because that's totally something conservatives do on college campuses, right?).
Capital_Room
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4d ago
Because there are countless ways to say Kirk wasn't harmless; my tumblr and bluesky and discord feed has no small number of them
From Matthew Dowd on MSNBC:
He’s been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to, hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions. And I think that is the environment we are in. You can’t stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have and then saying these awful words and not expect awful actions to take place. And that’s the unfortunate environment we are in.
(Though, apparently MSBC is firing Dowd for this, which I, for one, find rather surprising.)
Capital_Room
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4d ago
but academia is currently cratering.
[citation needed]
You also forget pretty much the entire Federal bureaucracy, the commanding heights of the economy (like Larry Fink with ESG, and all the other "woke capital"), the upper ranks of the military, the topmost people in most law enforcement (and the rank-and-file, however Red, will follow whatever orders their Blue bosses give, because "I've got to think about my pension").
Same with "energy and logistics." The rank-and-file grunts might be Red Tribe, but their bosses are Blue, and Red Tribe people obey hierarchy. Plus, trying to "weaponize" those requires organization, and we Reds don't do that. We're proud of not doing organization. We are "the people who, if someone orders us to breathe, suffocate to death." I've heard some say that that anyone who talks of "organizing" is the Enemy, and that if someone shows up at his door with such talk, it doesn't matter if they've been friends for decades, he's shooting them dead on the spot.
Dems are either going to have to moderate and cut off crazy fringe to avoid alienating the majority, or they'll just lose.
Why would this make them lose? I mean, AIUI elections these days are decided primarily by relative turnout of the bases, not by persuading (or alienating) "moderates". And, further, it is also my understanding that an important part of increasing turnout is by improving morale. And, from what I see, what can better lift morale on that side, in this age of the ongoing Fascist takeover of America, than seeing brave compatriots engaging in successful #Resistance of that takeover, by giving one of those vile Nazis what they deserve?
Or maybe I'm just spending too much time on Tumblr (because that seems to be the mood there). Or I just remember too many clips from left-wing video streamers like Destiny talking about how Corey Comperatore deserved to die like he did because he was "a Nazi attending a Nazi rally."
Edit: and apparently Peachy Keenan agrees:
Do you realize what they will do if they ever win back the White House?
It will be Rwanda 2.0. And the worst part is: they can run on this and win. Their voters WANT it.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
4d ago
None of that changes the sheer giddiness and overt schadenfreude of the anonymous leftist redditor or tiktok'er
Try being on Tumblr right now.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
4d ago
No one in Red Tribe is going to accept that a famous Conservative activist being sniped on a college campus can be summarized as "crazy guy with a gun".
And it doesn't matter what Red Tribe does or doesn't "accept", because what are they gonna do about it?
(The answer is "nothing." The answer is always "nothing." The answer will always be "nothing.")
Capital_Room
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4d ago
Black rifles are primarily useful as a political rallying and coordination point
Which is why gun rights will continue to get slowly eroded by salami-slicing instead of mass confiscation, so as to ensure this coordination point — AFAICT the only one the Red Tribe has — never gets tripped. They can oppress us into extinction all they want, just by avoiding that one big, shiny tripwire.
their (considerable) efficacy in a rebellion against the government. Their absence does not significantly impede such a rebellion.
[Citation needed]
Capital_Room
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4d ago
I think of what future President Vance is learning.
The only way we get President Vance is if Trump dies while still in office. We're getting a Dem in the White House in 2029.
Capital_Room
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4d ago
More in the "when do we actually fight back and do something about it" sense.
Never. Because we have no way to fight back. We're hopelessly outmatched and outgunned. We'd be crushed even harder and even faster if we tried.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
4d ago
At the end of the day thé two tribes absolutely dominate different fields
You mean one tribe dominates almost every field, while the other…
what they are saying is the Nazis weren't wrong because of what they did, but who they did it to.
I recall someone back at college, over 20 years ago now, arguing this explicitly with regards to the Holocaust — that it's not that mass murder and death camps are wrong, it's that the Jews, Romani, gays, etc. were the wrong people to exterminate. As the slogan goes, "no bad tactics, only bad targets."
it ends in the response being "Okay, we won't give any of you the chance."
Except, I've yet to ever see that happen.
Leftists don't understand they are surrounded by their ideological adversaries
No, I think they just don't care (I have an analogy about a vehicle brazenly speeding past a cop I like to use), because they know — instinctively if not consciously — that they are the ruling elite, and that their ideological adversaries, no matter how numerous, are powerless peasants who can and will be crushed into obedience as needed.
Their adversaries know where they work, they know where they shop, they know where they live, they know where they sleep.
Which doesn't matter, because those adversaries are beaten-down, powerless peasants who will never dare strike against their betters.
If violence, if the American Troubles and Years of Lead happens,
It won't.
Iryna Zarutska moved it some, Charlie Kirk moves it much, much farther.
Nothing's moving anywhere.
If the left is to continue existing,
…then they don't have to do anything, or change in any way. Because it's not like anybody on the right is going to do anything, except, as @The_Nybbler notes above, shift towards supporting gun control.
One side has all the power, the other is passive and utterly impotent. The left can do whatever they want to the right, the right is powerless — and often not even willing — to fight back. It's clear who wins, who always wins.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
5d ago
Would legal fentanyl really be less harmful? Or consider tobacco culture. Kids get ahold of this stuff and try it as an edgy symbol of rebellion. Some of them develop the habit. Is that dynamic going to be improved in any way by harder drugs?
I'm immediately reminded of this bit from a news story about the overdose death of a 4-year-old girl in Syracuse, NY:
Since 2022, at least four children in Syracuse have died of drug overdoses, including an 11-month-old boy, a 1-year-old girl, a 2-year-old girl and an 11-year-old boy. All of these overdoses involved fentanyl.
Capital_Room
rather dementor-like
5d ago
However, increases in GDP are supposed serve human flourishing, not the other way.
Says who, exactly? After all, GDP is relatively easy to measure, and gives you a numerical answer, while we can't even agree what constitutes "human flourishing", let alone measure it. So why wouldn't people choose to take the former as their measure of societal quality — 'line goes up equals world more gooder' — and then argue that, just as the job of corporate executives is to maximize "shareholder value", the job of a modern technocratic government is to maximize the GDP of the geographic territory it administrates… even if that means replacing legacy populations with cheaper imports?
Sounds like the kind of space where one could use some Gellar fields.
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