ActuallyATleilaxuGhola
Axolotl Tank Class of '24
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ActuallyATleilaxuGhola
Axolotl Tank Class of '24
2d ago
I was responding to that discourse which has been around for 5-10 years. I thought everyone had seen it by now.
I do get your point. I prefer not to wear shoes in my house. But if someone wore shoes in my house, I probably wouldn't be too bothered.
ActuallyATleilaxuGhola
Axolotl Tank Class of '24
2d ago
So you admit that the floor is considered unclean in houses where people wear shoes indoors.
The floor is considered unclean in houses where people don't wear shoes indoors. Like the one I'm living in now. It's not the big deal people make it out to be.
This is like an ancient Roman telling me that they don't just walk around with shit in their asscrack, they wipe with the communal sponge on a stick.
Unless you live in the middle of a hog farm, no, it's not like that at all. Your metaphor is really melodramatic.
Any horizontal surface is going to accumulate dust and dirt, of course. But wearing shoes in the house isn't making it any better.
Eh, but it's only slightly worse. Again, unless you live in an absolutely filthy environment, it's not really a big deal. To be fair, I would not have wanted to wear my shoes indoors when living in China because the eldritch grime and bio-filth on the streets and sidewalks was genuinely terrifying. But in Japan and the (rural) U.S. the streets are clean. The worst thing you might bring inside is a little sand or dirt, and those are easily handled with a doormat.
It's got nothing to do with wypipo.
Sure, and that's cool. Good for Slavs for doing that if they like it, and no I don't think they're Asiatics. What I mean by that comment was that it's a minor, mostly inconsequential cultural difference that gets blown up online because a certain subset of non-Euros/non-whites/non-Americans seem desperate for "insults" that will "stick" and so they fixate on this. I honestly think it's a lot of sour grapes, tbh, just like most "Do Americans really?"-style questions.
ActuallyATleilaxuGhola
Axolotl Tank Class of '24
3d ago
Okay I want to pick a fight about this.
Americans view their floors differently than other countries' floors. Our floors are treated much more like the ground outside than a clean indoor surface. We don't put pillows on the floor and lay on them, we don't eat off the ground. So it's really not a big deal.
That said, we don't just track filth indoors -- we have doormats and it would be unthinkable to track mud or shit inside the house. And in practice, a lot of people do kick their shoes off when they get home, they just do it near the couch instead of the front door. I live in Japan where walking into someones house with your shoes on is a sin nearly as great as, say, whipping out your junk unprompted. And while their floors have less outside dirt and dust, they are far from clean unless swept regularly, especially if one has kids or pets. So the difference in cleanliness is also exaggerated.
Don't get me wrong, I'm firmly in the side of taking off shoes near the threshold. But this whole meme smacks of "wypipo don season dey food" or "white people are all inbred pedos," nonsense made up out of whole cloth, or very nearly.
ActuallyATleilaxuGhola
Axolotl Tank Class of '24
3d ago
Off-the-cuff non-rigorous stream-of-consciousness take:
Their increased numbers mean assimilation has slowed and they remain foreign instead of assimilating. They have started tapping into the vicitimhood politics despite being recent arrivals who often do quite well for themselves which people see as hypocritical. They are displacing white collar workers who have rarely felt the effects of mass immigration this directly before and are thus shocked and outraged that this could happen to them. Those same white collar "chattering class" workers have a much bigger megaphone than the blue collar, so we are hearing a lot more about their grievances. Rural Indians have a third world mindset (clannishness, petty scams, lying to save face, deference to authority, cruelty to underlings, hygiene differences, etc) that is not unique to India but is nonetheless very alien and uncouth to middle class Americans. Also, honestly, there seems to be a small(?) minority who are hardcore ethnoreligious chauvinists who truly look down on their host countries. For example, I think erecting a 90-foot pagan monkey god statue in notoriously conservative Texas is a really bad PR move for an immigrant minority which is (presumably) seeking acceptance if not assimilation, but the attitude from that minority seems to be "tf Timmy gon do?", unfortunately, that colors people's opinions of all Indian immigrants.
I actually feel pretty bad for the Indians who were living quietly in Western countries, working hard, learning the language, trying to get naturalized, and otherwise being model citizens before the current immigration wave. I worked closely with two 2nd genration Indian-Americans who were basically indistinguishable from Euro-Americans besides their skin color and they were both great guys. I feel sorry that they are probably dealing with the fallout from all of these recent developments that occurred outside their control. They're not even immigrants, they're US citizens.
ActuallyATleilaxuGhola
Axolotl Tank Class of '24
3d ago
Not a mod, but for what it's worth, I would rather read your slightly less coherent, less well-sourced, but fully organic comments rather than something passed through a slop machine. I thought your ideas were interesting enough on their own. The cons of being called out for slop outweigh any minor stylistic improvements you might gain.
ActuallyATleilaxuGhola
Axolotl Tank Class of '24
9d ago
IIRC this was what Jade Empire did, and it worked well IMO.
ActuallyATleilaxuGhola
Axolotl Tank Class of '24
14d ago
You're supposed to read it with an old-timey radio mid-Atlantic accent.
ActuallyATleilaxuGhola
Axolotl Tank Class of '24
16d ago
The "Eagle mills" are definitely real. I was part of several troops, and every single Eagle was essentially carried by an overzealous parent, usually his mom. There were a lot of "social studies homework" merit badges I had to do, and those all sucked. I remember being horribly embarrassed by the "sexual abuse awareness" training section of the handbook I had to read with my parents.
The most fun troop I belonged to was run by redneck dads who took us on 7-10 mile hikes on coastal islands or through hill country. The dads mostly just followed to make sure nobody died, and the SPL ran the show. We'd pick a place to camp, then the SPL would tell us to go get firewood. Me and my buds would go fuck off in the woods for an hour, whittle little spears and wooden daggers, set interesting looking plants on fire, hurl rocks and playful taunts at other patrols we encountered. Headed back to camp, cooked and ate dinner, cleaned up, made a fire, play some cards while cracking the raunchiest jokes and using the worst profanity we knew while the dads snickered and pretended not to hear. Then it was lights out, to our tents and sleeping bags where we talked about girls (90% bullshit, we knew nothing) and busted each other's balls for this or that. The dads cracked a bottle of whiskey and shot the breeze; if you were quiet enough you could eavesdrop and learn a thing or two.
Good times. Sad my sons probably won't get to experience the same thing. I'm thinking about trying to get some of my extended family together to do something like it, though.
I think a shift has occurred. When I was a kid 30 years ago everyone wore shoes in the house. A friend's mom saying "Take your shoes off at the door!" came across as a bit fussy. But these days, when in the U.S., I subconsciously note whether there's a shoe rack by the door and take my shoes off accordingly. Maybe Americans will eventually end up tabooing keeping shoes on indoors as well.
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