Amadan
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Amadan
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4hr ago
Well, you are right that the question is fundamentally whether trans women are a special category of women or a special category of men, and we simply disagree there.
That being said, I still think that putting trans women in women's prisons is more unjust and hazardous to women than keeping them in men's prisons is hazardous to them, at least without much more stringent requirements about who's allowed to identify as trans so they can go to a women's prison.
Amadan
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5hr ago
You need to actually back up assertions like this, or why you believe it. Not just drop one liners as rebuttals.
Amadan
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6hr ago
You are crossing the line between "Source?" and personal antagonism.
Amadan
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6hr ago
Your belief is ignorant and incorrect.
Do not tell people "Fuck you" because you are offended.
Amadan
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7hr ago
If trans women would be segregated in either case, why then is it important for them to be housed in a women's prison?
Otherwise, I disagree that a utilitarian calculation of which solution results in fewer rapes is the correct solution. Absent prison reform on the scale we'd both probably prefer, I will argue that being (and presenting) as a woman is a choice for trans women. They have choices they can make about how they want to interact with male prisoners. Female inmates don't have choices if trans women (many of whom I think are opportunistic and not really trans in a meaningful sense) are dumped in with them.
Amadan
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12hr ago
Most of your posts here amount to calling someone a pussy, using more words. Stop it.
Amadan
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1d ago
I dunno, I am pretty left wing (by the standards of the Motte) and while there are certain brands of bullshit popular here, it's more that this forum selects for truth-seeking regardless of who it offends, and that, as a side effect, selects for contrary rightist or dissident leftist opinions. I literally don't know of any other left-leaning or so-called "neutral" forum, for example, that would let someone argue that trans women are men or that IQ is both hereditary and has a racial component, or that deporting illegal immigrants is good, or that Trump is not a fascist. I don't mean that any of those propositions are necessarily true: I'm saying almost anywhere else, you can't even debate it. You might get away with suggesting it, but after the subsequent dogpile, if you persist, you will be banned as a Nazi. No exaggeration, I've seen that happen... almost everywhere else.
As a liberal it's disheartening and annoying. I don't think rightists actually have a closer relationship with the truth, per se. But they do put a higher value on truth as a terminal value, whereas leftists today regard truth as secondary to social approval and psychological comfort.
Amadan
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1d ago
This is the whole problem with treating social media as life-people base everything they think about their outgroup based on the most unhinged viral Twitter personalities, and if someone doesn't have a "trail" (i.e., a Twitter history or something) showing them getting into pointless arguments with trolls then how are you supposed to prove what you say and believe in real life? The idea that anyone who says "No, I don't actually believe the thing you say everyone on my side believes" has to prove it to you by showing their online posts from the Obama years is absurd.
Amadan
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1d ago
Arguing that female inmates just need to submit to more danger because you've mathed out that it would be "worse" for trans women to be endangered sounds like you're practically making the TERF argument for them: that trans activists consider the feelings and safety of men to always be more important than those of women. "Well, sure, some trans women might be predatory sex offenders who will rape the female inmates they are housed with, but what if one of them was raped by a man? Wouldn't that be so much more horrible?"
I don't think this is quite the trolley problem you think it is. Trans women can be put in protective segregation in a men's prison.
And prison rape isn't actually a problem of not being able to prevent it. Other countries don't have the same problems US prisons do. We don't want to prevent it, because our prison system is dysfunctional in general, and also we have somehow adopted a cultural norm that getting raped in prison (or at least having that be an ever-present threat) is just part of the punishment.
Amadan
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1d ago
Fuck you.
You may not have been here long, but I'm sure you know better than that.
One day ban.
Amadan
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3d ago
You guys
Who is "you guys"? @cheesecake_llama calling "you guys" sycophants is not good, and neither is you generalizing right back.
There is nothing to be gained by an exchange consisting of little more than sneers about which side is more in denial and cultish.
Amadan
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3d ago
I don’t think you or any of his other sycophants
Argue without the namecalling.
Amadan
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3d ago
I'm certainly not claiming everyone is sincere, but I wouldn't judge sincerity based on performative outrage on social media. For any ridiculous and hysterical or ghoulish and terrible take , there will be some people who genuinely believe it and some who are just trolling.
Amadan
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4d ago
Mod hat off, but I really wish that Tumblr-style sneering by typing "in bRoKeN Case To MeAn THiS iZ St00P1D" would die.
Amadan
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4d ago
No, you and @remzem are both wrong. I know these people; they are not play acting. They may be wrong or foolish (though daily Trump makes me less certain of this), but they believe what they say.
I also don't know anyone who was laughing at people being locked up over Covid, but I observe people on this forum who'd cheer if Trump actually does all the worst things they claim he hasn't and won't do don't be silly.
Amadan
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4d ago
I'm not going to ban you, but I think you're trolling and/or being very weird.
Amadan
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4d ago
Yes, new alt, I assume they are calling someone either disingenuous or dishonest because those are the words they used.
Amadan
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4d ago
This is unnecessary, low effort, and obnoxious.
Amadan
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4d ago
It's not play acting. Many people really do believe Trump will try to deport his political enemies, to include US citizens and legal residents.
I am not sure whether this will happen; I do believe Trump would like to do that and would try if he thought he could get away with it. People like you who cheer for Trump "circumventing procedural nonsense" (i.e., ignoring laws and court rulings he doesn't like) show how it could happen. I think Scott's article "You Are Still Crying Wolf" was accurate for its time, but people are not crying wolf today.
Amadan
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5d ago
People who are against CICO are not denying thermodynamics; we are disputing that this is in any way a practical guide to action.
I mean, the OP is denying thermodynamics.
You're right that CICO in itself is not a practical guide to action. It's a description of what's happening. A practical guide to action would be one that helps you burn more calories than you eat. There isn't a universal solution for that, though unless you have an extremely unusual metabolism, the low-hanging fruit of "eat less and exercise more" will work, and the reason it doesn't work for you is that you don't like to eat less and you don't like to exercise more. This is true of most people, and while entirely understandable, it does not actually debunk the reality of CICO.
Amadan
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5d ago
You are either ignorant or a liar. Which is it?
This is throwing way too much heat. Even if you genuinely believe someone is being either disingenuous or dishonest, you are not allowed to just assume it and go on the attack like this.
Amadan
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6d ago
Indeed - that's just one of our regular trolls. There are several who do things like this, with slightly different MOs. (It's possible, even likely, that some of them are the same person.)
Amadan
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6d ago
I'm just trying to get something more out of you than "I believe this is the case" because I care about understanding how and why people think what they do.
I gave you my reasoning, which is based on my observation of behavior and statements over a period of time. When people post outrage about white womanhood being violated by alien brown hordes, but their every other post is about how white women are thots who are destroying Western civilization (and it'll be totally awesome when they get what's coming to them - which often enough includes "being raped by brown hordes"), I become skeptical that they are sincerely outraged on behalf of white womanhood. Or maybe they really do believe that white women being raped and abused is only bad if it's brown people doing it, which is no better IMO, and I also do not think is an example of "concentric circles of affinity." If I'm okay with you being raped and murdered by a neighbor because you're just a fellow citizen and not my family, but I'll cry crocodile tears about you being raped and murdered by a foreigner, maybe that means I really hate foreigners, but it certainly doesn't mean I feel any kinship for you.
And you know, you say you find mindreading and a belief that people don't mean what they say frustrating, and yet you started out by accusing me of believing:
How dare people have Ordo Amoris? Their care must reduce to one bit!
which I have trouble reading as a good faith interpretation of my initial post.
If you choose to extend more benefit of the doubt to the Kulaks of the world than I do, so be it.
Take a week off.
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