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				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 2, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
That selective edit is interesting. Here is the full context:




You know man, you get reported a lot and even the other mods have a hard time with you because a lot of people think you are and always have been a bad faith borderline troll who just says things to get under people's skin, without regard to truth or accuracy. And I have always leaned towards leniency, maybe because I'm a quokka and too willing to assume people actually believe the things they are saying and are sincere in their argumentation, even if they're really annoying. But I have frequently argued against banning you because it's too easy to find things you say that are moddable when most of the forum is trying to get you banned.




When you pull a stunt like that, literally chopping a piece out of a sentence to imply I said something quite different than what I did, it's hardly worth addressing the rest, but yes, I stand by everything I said in that post, and I have applied the same judgment to others. When you are arguing with someone, you are allowed to criticize, even harshly, the things they actually say.


Very bad form, and the way you slipped it in with the other quotes makes it clear that was calculated and intentional.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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I'm about the same age as you. I'm going to say that growing up in a country that had the Magdalene Laundries, you probably have seen a much more massive change than I have. That said, how many GenX women in Ireland are going viral like this?


I certainly see many of my generation going woke (especially women) but I see much greater numbers of Millenials, who are the ones I mostly see going diehard woke (along with Gen-Zers, but I'm still not really sure what to make of them yet). Clinton's and Harris's margins over Trump were very slim with GenX women compared to younger generations.


I am not arguing that wokeism "isn't a thing" or that we aren't seeing more radical polarization. Why do you think I have been so gloomy lately about that very thing? I was being very specific about the sort of nutpicking in the OP, who seems to be trying to make a very broad generalization about, specifically, older women. Do I think people protesting Trump or ICE are "a few kids on college campuses"? No. Do I think a few viral Karens, including Renee Goode et al, are? Statistically, yes.


I think we should be skeptical of "pattern-matching" a handful of tragi-comic figures who happen to look like your most mockable archetypal nemeses to some general demographic trend.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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Between this post and this one, I think it's obvious you are trolling and you've been given enough charity.


One week ban. Future bans will escalate sharply.


ETA Permabanned after threatening to troll harder if he was banned.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 2, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Okay, so you think that indeed, GenX liberal women are going crazy en mass and I am doing "It's a few kids on college campuses" when I question whether a few viral videos is evidence of this?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 2, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


but that's not really enforced here




Yes it is. We just don't always agree with you what constitutes an attack. Many people are maximally sensitive to anything said to them, and want maximum charity when interpreting anything said by them.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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Your link doesn't work. I'm unfiltering this, but I'll be honest, "Read this attached document before responding" is rather demanding for someone who just created a new account to post a manifesto.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 2, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Do you think it can also be the case that people show videos of the kind of people they hate to argue that the kind of people they hate are all like this?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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It's rape, but I have to have evidence it happened other than victim testimony. If the accused denies the victim's testimony, and there's no other evidence of rape, then they cancel out and I wouldn't convict.




That's the law, in the US.




You thought I liked little kids




I did not think or say that.




but really I'm just anti-feminist.




Obviously, but a very particular type of anti-feminist.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 2, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


As a rule, I can't condone the idea of labeling someone a felon because a woman says she's offended by him.




Ah.




What you prefer to my indices are the stated feelings of older women. As a rule, I can't condone the idea of labeling someone a felon because a woman says she's offended by him. She's got to show some physical damage or demonstrate some kind of financial or physical grievance using hard evidence.




So rape that leaves no injury isn't rape?




Maybe the difference between me and age of consent should be 18 folks is that I won't convict a man or legislate based solely on woman's scorn.




Ah.


I see this is not just about the age of consent.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 2, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


You can never make this argument for a mentally normal 15 year old.




Can't you? A 5-year-old can learn what sex is, and a very sheltered 15-year-old might be as naive as that fictional child.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 2, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


What do you mean by exploitation exactly? How is this bad for society, even if it makes minors happy?




There's a very prolific and once-ubiquitous science fiction author named Piers Anthony, most famous for his Xanth series. (Bear with me here.) He's not quite as popular as he once was, so you don't hear about him much anymore, but he was all over the place in the 80s and 90s.


Besides being prolific and writing a ton of series, the thing almost anyone who's ever read Piers Anthony will tell you is that every one his books oozes horny, and there are very few that don't involve some underage sex, at least hinted at if not explicit. Piers Anthony is a classic Dirty Old Man. And hey, everyone has their thing.


Anyway, one of his most infamous novels is Firefly, which is a horror novel about some kind of ooze-monster that makes people super horny. I read it so long ago I don't really remember the plot much, but I do remember a rather infamous courtroom scene:




The Judge refocused his eyes and mopped his brow with a handkerchief. "Is—is the Defense ready to proceed?"






"We are, Your Honor. We believe that this poignant tape establishes that though the Defendant may be technically guilty of the charge against him, he is not morally guilty. He did not seek the girl, he did not force his attention on her. He demurred at every stage, by her own testimony. It was entirely voluntary on her part. In fact, they were lovers, in the truest sense, age no barrier. The law may say he is guilty, but the law is sometimes an ass."






Several members of the Jury nodded their agreement.






Then he turned to the Jury. "If there is guilt here, then surely it is that of the father, who set her up by incestuously toying with her. And of her brother, who practiced sodomy on her with a candle. Remember, it was to escape that abuse that she first fled and found the Defendant. The Defendant never hurt her. He did only what she asked. He gave her what no other man did. He loved her. We may take issue with the manner of the expression of that love, but we cannot deny its reality. She came to him of her own accord, again and again, because what he offered her was so much better than what she received at home. Her family should be on trial!"




The child here is, IIRC, five. Five years old. Piers Anthony writes a sympathetic courtroom scene in which jurors are moved to tears by the unfairness of prosecuting a man who fucked a five-year-old because they truly loved each other.


Lest I be accused of committing the classic fallacy of assuming fiction represents the author's actual views, Piers Anthony is also notable for stuffing every one of his books with chapter-long Author's Notes in which he is not shy about his views. Let's just say while he never comes out directly and says "Yes, fucking consenting five-year-olds should be legal," it's, uh, not exactly hiding between the lines.


My point: I don't buy it from a rather accomplished and very charming author who did his best to make it plausible in the pages of a novel. I certainly don't buy it from you. The reason "statutory rape" exists is that the law recognizes that children can be persuaded to do things, and even enjoy things, that are not good for them. A child will enjoy eating ice cream for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. A child will enjoy playing all day and not going to school. A child will enjoy dressing up in skimpy clothes and makeup and prancing around in front of adoring grown men who tell her how pretty she is. And a child, no doubt, can be persuaded that she enjoys sex with a grown man.


This is why we have age of consent laws. To protect children from, well, people who think "She likes it" means it's okay.


To address your other point, that you seem to deny the testimony of victims of child sexual abuse who later claim they were too young to consent and that even if they enjoyed it at the time, it fucked them up later in life, I suggest you watch some parole hearings, of which there are many on YouTube. Chomos often use the "She seduced me/it was consensual" argument. I think they usually really believe this. I know some guys believe every rape accusation is just a woman having regrets afterwards, but I find it hard to believe that the adult victims of these men (and note that sometimes the victims are boys, too, if that weighs more heavily with you) are just making it up when they say that what they "consented" to when they were children is not something they should have been allowed to consent to.


Now you may protest "I'm only talking about 15-year-olds, not 5-year-olds!" And, fair enough. Except that once we accept your arguments for why young men should not be denied the pleasures of a 15-year-old, you really don't have much except vaguely-defined "physical and mental development" to argue against going much younger. (There are children who go through very precocious puberty. Should they be on the menu?)


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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Why are all the guys so eager to fuck teenage girls also so insistent that these girls be virgins?


Serious question, bub: You keep talking about your "lived experience." So I assume you are not a virgin. I'm not going to ask if you've ever banged an underage girl, but I am going to ask: assuming you have had sex with a virgin, why didn't you marry her?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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Your entire argument is predicated on your ability to read a poster's intent better than we can.


There are few people whose judgment would cause me to second-guess my own, and you aren't one of them.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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Elsewhere in the thread I said I supported a "common law age of consent," where the aptitude for consent is judged by a jury in a trial that charges rape or sexual assault, where the prosecutor brings evidence that the victim lacks mental capacity.




So could a 22-year-old claim she was statutorily raped and force a trial to establish she was competent to consent?




The problem here is that most cases over 15 result in serious harm to a man, and little to no harm to the girl.




Ah. There it is.




while also causing positive externalities like the expansion of young male dating pools, increases in young marriage and increases in the TFR




I don't think adding 15-year-olds to the dating pool will actually solve the dating woes of young people. Do you think suddenly young men will be locking down teen virgins before they start looking for older chads too?




The issue is therefore asymmetrical; an age of consent of 18 is plausibly far less optimal than an age of consent of 15, when it comes to the amount of harm and negative externalities either causes.




This assumes you don't believe 15-year-olds impregnated by older men are "negative externalities."


Your mathematical approach assumes a spherical and symmetrical world, which sexual relations surely is not.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 2, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I don't find this argument convincing. Your entire premise is that 15 is arbitrary and most 15-year-olds (according to you) are physically and mentally mature enough while most 10-year-olds are not. This might be true. But it's clearly a sliding scale: some (very tiny) number of 10-year-olds probably are physically and mentally mature enough, while there are a not-insignificant number of 15-year-olds who definitely are not.


Every age-of-consent argument boils down to this: yes, the number we choose is somewhat arbitrary. You're saying 18 is too old but 14 is too young. You may or may not be correct, but there will always be someone saying "Aktually most 14-year-olds nowadays..."


While I wouldn't lose sleep over lowering the AOC to 15, nor am I losing sleep over it being 18. And I would pretty seriously side-eye a grown man with a 15-year-old girlfriend, however full of hip and round of breast she might be.


(Also, I think you probably are our previous ebophile poster.)


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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Blocking is petty, and announcing you have blocked someone is extremely petty. If you want to know what someone you have blocked is saying about/to you, you need to unblock him or view the board without being logged in.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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If a man is convicted of statutory rape, then he had consensual sex with a teenage girl.




Okay, now tell me why you can't (or wouldn't) make all these same arguments about a 10-year-old who has hit puberty?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 2, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I really don't comprehend how you and @The_Nybbler think the argument is "It's a few kids on college campuses" (well, I do, I think the attack is disingenuous, but that doesn't get us anywhere). No, it's a not a dodge. It's, as for example @Jesweez pointed out above, largely a matter of what you notice more (and what you choose to or want to notice). If you think bitches be crazy, you will see a lot of crazy bitches, and social media will feed you more and more of them. If you think specifically 50-year-old liberal women are losing their minds, you will see lots of 50-year-old liberal women losing their minds. If you think right-wing e-thots are on the rise, you will see lots of right-wing e-thots. I don't think I have to repeat myself about how easy it is to convince yourself that conspiratorial Jews or murderous black cannibals are everywhere.


Show me some "clear thinking" that shows specifically that 50-something women are increasing in both mental instability and liberalness because Minneapolis videos are trending.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 2, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


and that smart people on this forum independently arive at the same opinions as myself




Do they, now?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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You say that as if it was a bad thing.




Not per se. But if my goal is "Prove that a certain subset of people is loud, aggressive and crazy" and I can find lots of videos of people being loud, aggressive and crazy and I am always looking for the subset of people I hate doing that, it suggests that when I post those videos and say "These people are loud, aggressive, and crazy" you should be skeptical.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 2, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
It is not your personal obsessive counter-argument. It's a broader phenomenon, and in terms you might care about, it's "Why is the culture war manifesting like this?" Framed as the OP did, it's "Why are 50-year-old women like this?" Using a few videos as evidence that this is a phenomenon with 50-year-old women is shoddy thinking. You are capable of reasoning this out when your fingers aren't twitching reflexively to post insults.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 2, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Contra @Jiro's usual supercilious sneering, when we see a post like this, no one is naive to the likelihood that it's a troll. Some of the people who argue with obvious trolls are just the sort of people who cannot resist responding even to troll-posts. OTOH, if an obvious controversial post is "long and grammatically correct" (in other words, it's actually making a coherent argument), the difference between "troll" and "someone making a sincere if inflammatory argument" is only in what their motivation is, which we generally cannot know.


Yeah, I looked at @DeepNeuralNetwork's history to see if he might be an alt of our old nazi-pedo friend or the other guy who insisted that not granting full adult rights and responsibilities to children is slavery. Is he? shrug Don't think so, doesn't have the same style. Is he a troll writing an effort-post to giggle and see how the Motte will react to "It should be legal to fuck 15-year-olds?" He could be. On the other hand, he might also really believe what he is saying. While I don't agree with his argument, I don't actually think it's insane on the face of it- there are lots of reasons for why the age of consent is the way it is today and not what it was in the 18th century, and overall, his post didn't read like your typical troll who just wants to fuck 15-year-old girls.


One of @ZorbaTHut's explicit goals for the Motte is to enable it to be a place where people can come here with blazing hot takes (sincerely held!) that couldn't find a fair audience anywhere else. Let people post them and argue them and take the brickbats and rotten tomatoes. Yes, sometimes that means enabling trolls who are just here to shit-stir. Of course sometimes those blazing hot takes are things like "Certain people should have bad things done to them," which crosses some other lines. And often those blazing hot takes descend into an exchange of insults and personal attacks, which crosses others.


Moderation has never been flawless here. We have a set of dials we can adjust up or down, and every adjustment has consequences. The OP got reported by several people basically saying "This didn't break the rules but I don't like it." I've seen this a lot lately. I mean... what are we supposed to do about that?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 2, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I sympathize with your complaint, but it's just the way things are here - if you are standing your ground on an unpopular opinion, you will get downvoted.


That said, @YoungAchamian is correct- starting a top-level thread to complain about another thread is generally bad form. Address it in the thread, or if you really think it deserves its own thread, maybe take the effort to frame it as a general discussion about how and why Motte users upvote and downvote things so it's not just "I'm mad about this one thread."


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 2, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
The weird thing about reading things in isolation from the mod queue is my first thought was "What the hell did Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez do now?"


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 2, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I agree with @OliveTapenade. This is nutpicking enabled by modern social media. When there's a probably smartphone within range of just about anything happening in public nowadays, you can be sure that any time someone gets loud, aggressive, crazy, or weird, someone will start recording it and uploading it. This enables anyone who wants to post a regular stream of Karens Going Crazy, Black People Doing Crime, White People Doing Racism, Gen Z Zombies, etc. etc. will have no trouble finding content.


We're not going to "mod-slap" you for this, though it does border on "Can you believe what Those People did this week?" I would prefer we not have endless threads about "Look at the latest crazy thing some people did that validates my biases" but to a certain extent I understand the urge to post the latest crazy thing Those People did.