Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
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Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
7hr ago
Sex and nudity is supposedly no big deal
According to whom? The leftists you hate so much? Yeah, some will make that argument, but even they won't say it's no big deal when it's non-consensual.
I don't think the pride parade demographic is particularly representative even of leftists.
But where does that leave us?
I think pretty clearly it's morally objectionable to generate AI porn of someone who is neither a sex worker nor someone who wants AI porn generated of them. What the law says, I am less sure, but I expect the "revenge porn" laws will probably be expanded to include "Generating AI videos of your ex fucking a horse."
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
7hr ago
I don’t recall seeing an alternative explanation for the popularity of the violent männerbund video game genre in my replies.
Men have power fantasies. They dream of being heroes, of being winners, of being the biggest and the baddest. We are competitive and we dream of glory. But generally speaking, we dream of doing that for a cause, for king or country or our family. Not just for the sheer joy of bashing another guy's skull in. That is the Kulak argument and yours, that we're all just chimps. This point has been made repeatedly to you, that while it may be fun to just blow up pixels in a violent game, it's not actually an urge a healthy person has, to destroy and kill for the sheer pleasure of death and destruction.
The reason this is the edifice of my argument is that it’s a surprisingly strong edifice.
It isn't. "My edifice is very strong because my argument is correct because I have said my argument is correct" is not in fact a good argument.
I am curious why you keep bringing up rape. I never mentioned rape in my post. Why do you have rape on your mind? The Conan the Barbarian quote only mentions the lamentations of the defeated women. Very odd.
Yet you keep harping on it, especially how much fun it was to isolate some group's girlfriend gamer and make her cry. You keep bringing it up as part of the whole destroy and pillage and conquer thing. I think you're being a little disingenuous here appealing to the dark violent urges you think every man has but pretending to be offended that I point out the obvious consequent.
They do. But that’s not why they enjoy warring.
It's your position that they "enjoy warring." It's my position that they enjoy winning wars and receiving the accolades and benefits of winning. Read the actual memoirs of soldiers from nearly any war in the past couple of centuries, and you'll find very few who really enjoyed the experience of war (some, but not many), and quite many who thought war was a horrible experience, even if they did consider it a noble cause, even if they are proud to have done it.
The sentiment is all between the männerbund. Here is what they have to say about the women back home: “(toasting) to wives and sweethearts: may they never meet”.
... You hear that joke made in a toast and conclude "Yeah, this is evidence that Real Men don't actually care about their women and families? They just love killing other men and destroying what others have built?"
Okay.
You must have watched a different Sopranos. Money and chicks factor very little in the show.
I said Mafia movies. Then I went on to point out that the Sopranos, specifically, is a deconstruction of the Mafia glamor.
You do this kind of argumentation a lot.
Men like to see Tony steal the resources and fealty from rivals.
Sure, but they also like to see if Tony is eventually gonna get whacked. Most men don't want to be Tony Soprano, and those who do are people I would not want living near me any more than I'd want Tony Soprano as a neighbor.
They like to see men act within a männerbund to win resources and power.
And to get fucked up by their dumb choices, or wrecked when their plans go south. Most men aren't saying "Man, I wish that was me holding up bodegas and getting in gunfights with other mobs."
Does the average male viewer really crave to learn about the sociology of the mafia in the turn of the 21st century? Is he a criminologist who wants to explore the depths of narcissism in Tony Soprano? IMO, no.
But those elements are what made Sopranos better and more popular than just another mob show.
I think you are very shallow consumer of media.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
8hr ago
But the problem is that shame would also kick in for stuff like a young girl hyping up her debut on Onlyfans once she turns 18 (link is mostly SFW but you'll see some thirst trapping). The puritanical ethics required here would condemn both the voyeuristic act and the exhibitionist act.
I've already said that I am pro-slut shaming.
That said, there's a difference between someone willingly posting their nudes and someone not doing that. I think the OnlyFans girl would have a harder case to make about being harmed by someone generating AI porn of her, versus a girl whom you think should just accept that all women are being punished for the OnlyFans girls.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
9hr ago
I don't know about legal harm, but my ideal solution to this would be "The girl who punched the asshole boy gets a finger-wagging, and the boy gets told he had it coming and stop being a little shit."
Obviously, that's too old school and common sense for a school to do.
Photoshopping a woman's face onto a pornographic image has long been understood to be a shitty thing to do and possibly actionable. But AI-generated real-person-porn is probably just something society is going to have to get used to.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
9hr ago
I know, I know: Amadan is going to hammer me for using sarcasm.
Sigh. Yes. Come on, you're just trying to be provocative and you knew you were going to get reported.
It's not the sarcasm that's the problem. It's that you (and I mean you specifically) can make an intelligent and cogent argument for why this is bad behavior that should be discouraged. And you can even be (a little) snarky about it. But when you layer on the "gosh gee whiz"s and straw men obviously directed at the person you are responding to, of course you're dialing up the antagonism in a way that doesn't actually lead to productive engagement. You're just trying to say "You're a shitty human being unworthy of a respectful reply" without using those words.
The "big yikes not a good look chief" millennial slop has ruined online discourse because it feels so good to get off those snide, snarky little burns but it absolutely destroys any hope of good faith dialog. Do you want to talk to people and maybe enlist their sympathy and get them to see your side of things, or do you just want to score little zingers?
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
9hr ago
How many of those surprise blowjob stories involve a three-year-old and an 18-month-old?
And, again, no physical harm was done here.
I am not sure what to make of your fixation on "no physical harm." Yes, you can do lots of things to children that won't cause physical harm.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
9hr ago
You have a habit of dissecting things into discrete components that you can fit together into your thesis, and ignoring vast swathes of context and nuance. You are also very guilty of typical-minding what you apparently feel.
You've built your entire hypothesis that "Actually, all men enjoy looting and raping" on the edifice of "We like competitive sports and violent video games." Numerous people have offered you other interpretations with examples, and you reject them because looting and raping sounds like a good time to you and therefore it must be natural to all men.
That’s what makes it such a good movie: there’s none of that sentimentalslop that guys don’t actually care to watch.
There was a lot of sentiment in Master and Commander. It was very male-oriented, yes, but the idea that men don't like or feel sentimental about things like home, family, nation, faith, is a stunning declaration.
The whole mafia genre is another case of this. Why do guys love mafia movies? It is not because of the subtle sociopolitical commentary and ironies of the Sopranos.
In fact men did enjoy the sociopolitical commentary and ironies of the Sopranos. That's why it was an award-winning show. The Sopranos was in many ways a deconstruction of the Mafia glamor, and yet it had a very large male audience. Men like Mafia movies in general for the same reason we like all kinds of power fantasies, but most men want the money and the chicks but not to actually go around beating whores and shooting shopkeepers. Apparently you don't understand this. It may be that you are a more typical man and it may be that I am, but I know which way I would wager.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
10hr ago
I am not saying you're a pedophile. I'm saying the story isn't funny, and presenting it as "funny" is why you're getting a lot of flack.
I find it hard to believe that the behavior depicted in this particular case would inflict any permanent psychological harm on the children involved
This really isn't helping the impression that you're being a little oblivious here.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
10hr ago
Look, you do you, but throwing a fit and saying you don't want to do this anymore because you can't include cute and funny pedophile stories... like, c'mon man.
Honestly, if you hadn't called it "hilariously hentai facts," you probably wouldn't have gotten reported. What was "hilarious" about it?
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
11hr ago
, instead they see themselves in the männerbund who are singularly interested in destroying their enemy through trickery.
No, they are empathizing with defending your home and family.
That's why I specified morally objectionable. I don't have to think it should be illegal to think someone who does that is a shitty person. I can legally draw a picture of your wife fucking a horse and post it online. Even if you couldn't press charges, you'd probably want to punch me, and most people would think I deserve it.
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