Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
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Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
5hr ago
You are throwing a public tantrum. If you really want a ban, you can request it, but you will have to make it clear you are in fact formally requesting to be banned, not just by throwing a toddler-fit so you can exit claiming to be the wounded party. Your behavior so far got you a warning to chill out. You can of course also choose to be a more egregious jerk and force us to ban you, but that won't make you feel so self-righteous, now will it?
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
5hr ago
Most of them are fine with only the police having guns. They will generally argue something about stricter gun control making school shootings less frequent because the shooter wouldn't be able to get a gun in the first place. Yes, you can readily pick at this, but you aren't going to cause them to segfault by proposing a dilemma like "police don't have to protect you, but school shootings happen."
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
16hr ago
No. This is gaslighting plain and simple, so I won't read the rest of your screed. I'm tired of this nonsense. Ban me at least for a month, better permaban.
If you want a self-ban, request it by modmail, not in this petty fit.
And you're trying to frame me as… well, whatever.
Obnoxious. The word is obnoxious.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
17hr ago
So we don't taboo words, but if you are going to drop slurs there should be a point to them, not just "I really despise Indians." If you want to say nigger, kike, pajeet, spic, whatever, you are allowed to, you know, type the word. You can even use it in a meaningful way. But not just because you want to namecall.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
17hr ago
Ya know, it's really obnoxious to keep telling people what their ethno-nationalist origins are, and when corrected, double down and tell them "Well technically you may not be American/you may be Chinese but actually --"
Followed by a long-winded diatribe about how they're actually American or not-Chinese according to your abstruse rationalizations.
You've done this several times, which should have led to some degree of embarrassment and self-updating on your part, but instead has led you to dig in, become increasingly argumentative and stubborn, and predictably, led other people to respond to you in undesirable ways (such as the "ball-snipping" comment which, while I agree with the sentiment, isn't really the kind of discourse we want to encourage).
You have already reached KulakRevolt-levels of not-to-be-taken-seriously in your arguments, but that's fine, the Motte has always welcomed the most out-there posters with wild hot takes. It's kind of its purpose! You are not wrong that the community is heavily American in perspective and preoccupations (though it's hard to avoid since, you know, it is mostly Americans here) and getting your, ah, unique perspective is valuable. I say that without irony.
That said, you've also reached the Kulak stage of "I despise all you nerds and your worthless ignorant opinions so I'm going to dump my diatribes on you and get belligerent with people who argue with me."
So congratulations, you've temporarily achieved Main Character status in that most of the reports in the queue are of you or in response to you.
Choose one: you want to participate here and be civil, or you are too disgusted to be engage civilly here and you aren't going to waste time here anymore.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
1d ago
There are things under your control. I doubt you're so old as to have no opportunities for improvement. Anyway, if morality doesn't sway you, a desire for truth should. Jim is mostly wrong about everything. He tells a compelling story to doomers who want reasons for their hatred, but these doom prohets are not actually insightful or wise, they're just crafty tale-tellers.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
1d ago
Dude. You need to stop looking at Dread Jim for life advice. Hating women and wanting them to be property is not a recipe for happiness.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
1d ago
I did in fact believe you felt angry at injustice done to you. But since you say I was mistaken, I believe you. I came to that conclusion because your tone in discussing your own experiences in the past struck me as very similar to the bitter way our incels talk. So you see, I will amend my beliefs and correct errors.
That said, we've talked before about your expectations of women and how you feel society puts too much responsibility on men and not enough on women. You may not feel you personally are being treated unjustly, but there is an injustice in that we aren't, as you put it, "mean" enough to women.
Amusingly enough, I don't even disagree with you as much as you seem to think about the ground-level truths. But I always get angry responses for not blaming women enough.
If you truly think I think something I don't, perhaps I am a poor communicator, but one way to reliably annoy me is to call me a liar. I believe what I say I believe.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
1d ago
They have relations with men that are not consumed with hate and resentment. A PMC chick tweeting about "#Killallmen" is obnoxious, but is she actually spending her life hating on men, like incels do about women? Generally not. When an incel occasionally manages to land a relationship, he either drops the incel act, or his seething resentment and sense of entitlement still poisons the relationship.
2-4: You claimed I was "copping out" by pointing out that society is also hard on women. You apparently take the position that it's worse for men and women have it easier. Much of this seems based on the grievances of men who don't do well. So no, the fact that incels are unsympathetic doesn't in itself contradict any theory of society being harder on men, but it makes me wonder why you are arguing that we should be sympathetic to incels, and why you want a declaration against both-sidedness. Nothing you have said makes the case that society is in fact more unfair to men than women. Society is "accomodating" to women's sexual desires, because men will always "reward" women willing to offer sex. But they are punished differently than men–men are "punished" by not getting laid; women are punished by the reality of the dating market and aging, with some hard truths it is impolitic to talk about nowadays. I reject your thesis that women just coast on "Women are wonderful."
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
1d ago
You don't do* "data-based analysis of trends." You post surveys and magazine articles that reinforce your opinion. But to give you a bit of allowance here, the problem is not so much that the surveys don't have meaningful data ("the dating market is a disaster and everyone is unhappy"), but the conclusions you draw from that.
I'll indulge your demand to explain my "epistemic philosophy" when you stop confidently declaring that people don't really believe the things they say because you disagree with them.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
2d ago
Of course every incel would leap at the chance to score an attractive woman. That doesn't mean they actually like women.
Does society have more sympathy for women? (The "women are wonderful" syndrome?) Yes, generally so (at least in the West). That doesn't mean incels deserve sympathy, any more than the proverbial carousel rider does.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
2d ago
You can keep saying this, but I sincerely suspect you don't actually believe it.
I'm sure it's a comforting cope to believe that, but I do in fact mean what I say. Your "data" is not meaningful, any more than that Times of India article. (Women today choose not to have children for many reasons besides "Chad wouldn't give me one" and while you can argue their choices are bad, they aren't for the reasons you insist.)
I just like to believe true things
No. No, you tell yourself that. But what you like to believe is things that reinforce your sense of injustice inflicted upon you by the world. You construct just-so stories that reinforce a particular narrative, you take surveys as "data" and you dismiss any other model of human behavior because it doesn't fit your priors.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
2d ago
The women performatively "hating men" mostly do not, by revealed preferences, hate men. Incels really do hate women, and while you can cast them as victims, they are victims only of their own inadequacy and self pity. Society isn't making them feel that way , and society isn't obligated to reorder itself so women who don't want them will want them.
As for their being such a difference in how society treats women, yes women have their own pressures men don't, which many of them find very unfair and oppressive.
I don't think society is as hard for either one as they say, and find whiny feminists and loser men equally insufferable, mostly victims of their own mindset.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
2d ago
My favorite series as a child.
They made a movie that was so bad, Susan Cooper got kicked off the set for complaining.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
2d ago
Women may despise individual men, but the few who despise men as a class don't want to fuck them.
Incels despise women as a class but still want to fuck them.
I agree men and women should both be given better advice about realistic expectations.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
2d ago
From a matchmaker. Almost as convincing as your old OKCupid survey.
We've been over the flaws in your analysis before. You won't accept them because one cannot be reasoned out of a position one did not reason himself into. Your personal disappointment over my lying eyes, obviously we will both trust our respective sources.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
3d ago
You're missing the underlying point because I was being sardonic. Most women do not, in fact, refuse to settle for anything less than a 6/6/6. Even nice and pretty women!
I do not believe the incel exists who couldn't find a woman, and probably a pleasant enough woman, to be a partner. What they generally can't find is a woman who meets their various standards of attractiveness, personality, virginal shy-yet-freakiness, and willingness to be a bangmaid.
Somehow having standards that may be out of your league is evil and unjust on the part of women, but reasonable and tragic on the part of men.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
3d ago
How is wanting commitment-free sex from a rotating harem of virgins less "stupid and evil" than wanting commitment from a "chad" who probably won't commit?
Women don't want to fuck a beta who fundamentally despises them. Truly a mystery and an injustice wrapped in an enigma.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
3d ago
Are China's economic fundamentals sound? Do they not have a problem with cooked books and all the usual problems of a command economy that can make everything look like it's absolutely splendid until it's not? Do they not have their own demographic issues?
I am not "incurious" or saying I don't think China is a first world power. Of course it is. I am not "looking down" on them. Their technological progress, and their prodigious transformation since the days of the Cultural Revolution, is truly impressive. But that doesn't mean there isn't a lot of rot underneath. Or that they have already become the future hegemon, however much they may intend it.
There is a lot of ruin in a country, as they say- the West, and the US, are arguably coasting now until our own wheels come off, and China may be able to coast longer. Who knows? But it bemuses me that people who are quick to point out all the rot eating away at the West, despite us still being, in most respects, in a much superior position (which I do think is near a tipping point), take every piece of knob-slobbering news about Sino-ascendancy and their roaring economy and industrial output at face value. Because, good gosh, at least they aren't "woke."
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
3d ago
Well, I need to disclaim that I have not personally lived in China. But:
Obsequiousness towards the state is the big one, but it's also a very socially conformist society. Uighurs and Tibetans are oppressed, yes, but it's also not a great place to be a Christian (my understanding is that you can pray and go to church, but evangelizing is highly frowned on and anything that smacks of "activism" will get you slapped down in a hurry). The things you cannot talk about except in a state-approved way are numerous-- Tienmen square, Taiwan, anything critical of the government. There is a reason they have the "Great Internet Wall of China" that, while very porous and easy to bypass via VPN, is still a crime which can get you in trouble if caught. If you find yourself in legal trouble, forget about any of the due processes you are accustomed to in the West.
It's honestly baffling to me that anyone would say "China seems fine, better than being forced to pray at the altar of DEI." I mean, even if you are in the wokest of woke companies, no one is forced to "pray at the altar of DEI." You may be risking your career if you share your spiciest takes about HBD or male/female differences, but you cannot literally be arrested. Meanwhile in the street or here on the Internet you can call the president a retard, a corrupt tool of oligarchs, a Zionist agent, a pedophile, or anything else, and nobody can arrest you for that either, and you're highly unlikely to be fired even if you said it publicly on X. Try doing that in China. (I believe they also persecute you for "hate speech" in China as well: they may not care much about "DEI" as such, but start posting about how much you hate Jews or blacks or women and eventually you will attract negative attention with an actual government impact on your life.)
Our 2nd Amendment enthusiasts have many valid complaints about the breaches of their Constitutional rights, but you don't have even a shadow of those rights in China. Right now the USA is in turmoil over protesters versus ICE agents. I think some of the folks in this forum would not be unhappy if the National Guard starting machine-gunning protesters in the streets, but most people, even those who are strongly pro-ICE, agree that annoying purple-haired lesbians should be allowed to protest in a non-vehicular-homicidal way. In China, machine guns and tanks would be a real possibility. And not just for your annoying purple-haired lesbians.
Do they have to "worship at the altar of DEI"? Well, their version of DEI is called the social credit score. Would you like the government tracking everything you do and say and whether it is "anti-social" enough to start limiting your access to services, travel, credit, and being put under increased monitoring by the state? That seems better, really?
Again, for the average Chinese person, most of this is probably invisible, and for the affluent, life in the big cities is fine. Chinese have their own forums and social media and their versions of 4chan and the like. But all the stories we share here, about people being persecuted in various ways for wrongthink? Multiply that by an order of magnitude in China. Try being a "normie" Chinese with a few problems, some grievances about the system, or in a bit of legal and/or financial trouble. Try being a real wrongthinker.
I'll take (often dramatically, hyperbolically, catastrophically overstated) DEI bullshit over that.
Other than being a totalitarian police state with no civil rights except those the government pretends to provisionally grant you, and most of its meritocracy and probably its economic numbers being as fake and gay as ours, sure, China is great.
Look, this gets trotted out fairly regularly about a lot of places that are on the surface technocratic modern states with a glitzy veneer where, as long as you are not a dissident, a minority or outsider, or basically anyone disfavored by the state, things are pretty fine. People say similar things about the Gulf states. I remember a few years ago, a lot of "based" trads were saying similar things about Russia: sure, maybe its kind of a little bit corrupt and run by oligarchs and Putin is a dictator who has people who displease him thrown out of ninth floor windows, but he cosplays as a Christian and they don't put up with woke nonsense.
We don't hear that quite so much since the beginning of the Ukraine war, but you still see a little of it here from our Russophiles, who mostly still love Russia because it's not globohomo woke. Leftists put Ukrainian flags in their profiles, therefore invading Ukraine might be... good?
Even the USSR and Nazi Germany were kind of okay for a lot of the population most of the time, and if the thing you hate above all else is anything that Western leftists like, then you can make a case that they were... good because they didn't have pride parades or hordes of imported Africans, I guess.
But I think very few people moaning about how awful things are in the West would actually find they prefer living in China. Unless you are the sort of person who can keep your head down and eat shit your entire life. People angry about having to sit through DEI sessions really underestimate the level of shit-eating that's required in places like China.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
3d ago
You and @Skibboleth (who are so similar in posting styles that it's not surprising I often confuse your usernames and forget who's the low-effort sneering rightie and who's the low-effort sneering leftie- like seriously, even your mod logs are almost identical):
Shall we just resort to "libtard" and "republithug" now? How about "Magtard" and "shitlib"? Go ahead, bring out all your best disses that really killed it on Twitter in 2016.
No, actually, don't. Go elsewhere for pistols at dawn, or get a room, or whatever, but knock this crap off. Neither of you will be a loss if I just say "Pox on the both of you."
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
5d ago
Please stop lying and implying I think something that I did not say I think. ICE never killed anybody "to send the message". The particular officer killed someone to stop that someone from driving over him with her SUV. Lying is bad. Please stop doing it.
People often have radically different takes, so radically different that they think "I cannot believe you actually think that, you are obviously lying." Or someone will say "So it's better to ?" and the indignant response is "I DID NOT SAY THAT YOU LIAR!"
None of this improves the discussion. In fact, it basically ends it. When you're calling each other liars, you're pretty much at the endpoint of the discussion. This is why I almost always mod people for calling someone else a liar. You are not a mindreader. People do usually actually believe the things they are saying. They may be ill-informed. They may be guilty of spurious reasoning. They may be arguing sloppily. And yeah, sometimes they might just be making up shit to win an argument. Not that I am saying any of that is specifically true here, but what I am saying is you'd better be on point when you call someone a liar.
I am not sure why this is the biggest scissor of the year (well, so far) but people need to chill the fuck out.
Your periodic reminder that KulakRevolt is a fabulist who outright makes shit up, especially about the ancient Greeks and Romans. He is not a historian or a classicist. He embellishes history to make the ancients sound bloodthirsty and psychotic, just as he does for the Founding Fathers.
The "Ghosts of Cannae" were not "hounded in the streets, spat upon, and families reduced to penury." They were banished to Sicily. Later, they were recruited by Scipio Africanus and allowed to serve again, on the front lines in Spain and Africa, but they did not "beg for a suicide mission" and the Senate did not vote on whether to allow them to serve.
Kulak's versions of history have about the same degree of verisimilitude as a Disney cartoon.
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