Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
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Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
1d ago
If you seriously believe I didn't mod SecureSignals because I happen to agree with him about LLMs, and otherwise would have, I don't know what to say to you - you've been here too long for me to believe you actually believe that.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
1d ago
I find it disappointing that you're directly taking a side in a thread within a mod post.
Mods are allowed to have opinions about the topic of a thread and "take a side" on it.
While I don't care to litigate what does and does not count as a "mod post," there is also no requirement that we are to be dispassionately neutral while making observations as mods. A lot of people need to let go of the idea that we are customer service bots.
Since nobody is getting modded, your objection reads as petulant.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
1d ago
This was reported and had a consensus-vote of "bad," but while we would prefer you and @phailyoor not get into antagonistic slap fights like this, I don't see it as really crossing the line.
Fwiw, you are right and @phailyoor is wrong.
And I feel like I have to second the person who said you should get some kind of recognition for actually getting into an argument where Jews weren't mentioned once.
Amadan
Letting the hate flow through me
5d ago
I admit to having a visceral reaction to this.
It's not because I'm afraid of the Basilisk - but I am concerned about future actual-AGIs looking at experiments like this and asking us "What the fuck were you thinking?"
This just seems... bad. And it's bad even if AIs don't actually feel "pain" and all of this is just probabilistic token generation, responding to a fake scenario constructed for it. Which I think it is. But I don't want us to be constructing experiments where we torture things because they aren't real and we're certain they don't actually feel pain, when we can't agree exactly when those things might pass the threshold to becoming real. And I am pretty certain these researchers probably wouldn't stop even if it turned out that AIs really have achieved self-awareness and the ability to experience pain.
I mean, seriously, what is the point of this? I'm sure they can justify it as "model alignment" or something, but we're training AI engineers to torture something that acts like it's being tortured and say "Hmm, interesting," when AI engineers can't even agree on what will constitute AGI or whether or not AIs pose a threat.
We should not be creating torture simulators, and we especially should not be creating torture simulators for beings that have a non-zero chance of becoming sentient someday and a non-zero chance of becoming dangerous someday.
I put a modhat on for "stop it or you're getting banned" posts. Those are the ones that have the red flag. Me saying "I see a lot of stupid shit in the mod queue" or "No, I am not modding this post" is not the same and does not obligate me to go into customer service bot mod.
I generally do not opine on the thread itself when I modhat a post. We especially avoid using a modhat in a thread where we have already been engaging (or arguing).
That is a general practice, not a hard and fast rule.
Note that the topic of modding (whether or not someone was being unnecessarily antagonistic) was orthogonal to the topic I expressed an opinion about (LLMs).
We will not be following the practice that "I may not refer to anything to do with moderating or what I see in the mod queue if I talk about the thread." Once again, we are not customer service bots, and while we're mindful of appearances and community trust in our diligence and best efforts at fairness, there is a limit to how much weight we're going to give someone sore at being disagreed with.
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