ArjinFerman
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ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
29d ago
Yes, they totally didn't do a whole bunch of other things that are more likely to be responsible for their outcome.
ArjinFerman
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29d ago
Just once I'd like to see an example of a country that didn't follow suit and suffered some horrible negative consequences.
Also: sure, I think the leaders of most of these countries are on board for the world depopulation train.
ArjinFerman
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29d ago
Japan, Poland, etc are doing the same thing.
Why would that mean anything, let alone that the decisions is justify on material / economic grounds? World elites have remarkably narrow worldviews. Do you think gender self-ID was implemented in a good chunk of Europe for material reasons? Do you think there were BLM marches there because of how badly black people were treated?
ArjinFerman
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29d ago
To me this whole line of thought breaks down once you analyze what happens when two copies exist at the same time. If a copy of you existed in the past, do you have memories of it the same way you do of yourself? No? In that case they're not the same.
What about the future? My first conversation with a transhumanist was a guy trying to convince me that if I do a mind-upload upon death, it's just going to feel like going to sleep and waking up in a virtual world. My view is that it's going to feel like going to sleep and never waking up again, and we can prove that by running a mind-simulation of yourself now, and observing these entities exist independent from each other, without direct sharing of experiences. It is the belief that your meatbag self gets transferred into your virtual self that requires an immaterial soul.
ArjinFerman
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29d ago
Not me in the 'I would happily commit suicide because I'll still be alive' sense, but me in the 'exactly the same in every way' sense.
...and also in the "I'd let another man shaft my wife" sense. I can sort of understand feeling the same kind of affection you'd feel upon running into a lost twin brother you never knew existed, but you're clearly taking it to a point to a point that is beyond my understanding.
Divergence has nothing to do with it, you're just operating under a framework that's completely alien to me.
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
29d ago
And this analogy doesn't work, because performing a prayer is an additional task, whereas you were probably referring to someone with a pronoun regardless.
Wouldn't that mean it would be wrong to force someone who doesn't pray, to pray to Allah, but ok to force someone who does pray 5 times a day, but to a different god?
Seems kinda backwards to me.
ArjinFerman
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29d ago
As long as you can't see the world through his eyes, hear it through his ears, be aware of his every thought and feeling, and directly control what he does, he's not you.
Would you also love letting them have a go at your wife?
Sounds horrifying? He'd love my wife as much as I do, be as attached to my entire life as much as I am, and think I'm the fake?
How doesn't this end with one of us dead, or feeling cucked for the rest his life?
ArjinFerman
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29d ago
Sorry bro, I beat you to it.
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
29d ago
It could be that the loss of privacy from body cameras isn't relevant to the recruitment problems.
Yeah... you don't think the social movement to demonize the police might be more relevant here? Especially since it was the same movement that demanded the body cams, and thus explaining the timing?
ArjinFerman
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29d ago
"I don't really think trans women are women, but if I'm just casually talking with someone and not sleeping with them, I don't want the other person to be unhappy and it's no big deal to say "she" instead of "he."
Is it a big deal to do 5 daily prayers to make your Muslim friends happy?
ArjinFerman
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29d ago
And why exactly would it have to be a "shitty" copy?
From the perspective of dodging death, any copy is shitty, because it's a copy. None of the things that make death scary are alleviated by having one, and you never addeess the difference between prolonging your life and copying, or make an argument for why they should be treated interchangeably.
ArjinFerman
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30d ago
I thought no one's using it right now. He could even forego the underage girls entirely, and just chill on the island.
ArjinFerman
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30d ago
Epstein Island?
I was thinking more, "if we start spamming now, they won't have time to roll back". Either that or the whole system collapses because everyone sees what a farce it is, which is also a happy ending, as far as I'm concerned.
Ok fine, but in that case I would say it pales in comparison to organizing workshops and therapy for parents of trans kids, trans kids themselves, detransitioners, all at a time of peak social-media censorship, and kicking off a remarkably well-run series of conferences. I don't know what is your experience of actually getting shit done, but whenever I tried taking on a leadership role, it was like squeezing water out of a stone. After a few experiences like that, I have mad respect for leaders who actually pull it off at a consistently high quality.
That's not to say I don't appreciate JK Rowling. Her high profile and sharp wit probably exposed a huge amount of normies to the subject, and made it all quite entertaining to boot. But it's not the same thing, I think.
Everybody plugged into the transphere, either pro- or anti-, probably knows who she is. Normies might not, but they don't matter. Left-wing European politicians attend her conferences to keep an eye on what's going on. Her activity is what keyed me in on the tide turning on trans. I really doubt it would have happened (or at the very least - would have happened at the time it did) without her.
I've had some posts about my criticisms of the "organic" / "market-driven" / "democratic" view of society, and one of these days I might flesh out a compare-and-contrast to and "elite-driven" one, which I think is far more accurate.
ArjinFerman
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30d ago
because they abandoned the one thing that people actually want from this space: content-neutral moderation.
Possibly a nitpick, possibly this is what you meant, but CWR was pretty content-neutral, though it was probably a bit too loose on the "moderation" part.
ArjinFerman
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30d ago
Stella O'Malley. Rowling only finances and shitposts, as far as I can tell, doesn't do any actual leadership.
ArjinFerman
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30d ago
"[X] is persecuted because it's bad" should be the default assumption, despite what a lifetime of cultural conditioning tells me.
Huh, so what you're saying is that the Jews really did have it coming?
I agree you should examine the object level views on a case by case basis, this is, in fact my default. I disagree with "if they're persecuted, they're bad", though persecution probably indicates a fundamental incompatibility of values.
ArjinFerman
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30d ago
Fun fact: you guys lost the war before you even knew there was one. Trans activists slipped in gender self-ID into the referendum that you thought was about gay marriage.
On the flip side, arguably the most prominent leader, in the whole worldwide pushback against trans, is an Irish woman.
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
30d ago
Ingroup you mean? Why would it?
Or the people who are around him, and putting all that fear and pressure on people? They sort of are, but it's human nature, getting too resentful of it leads towards nothing but misanthropy.
Concrete questions: when, if ever, will it be acceptable to express even the blander motte views in polite company? Was it ever?
I sometimes question my own sanity, and start asking if my recollection of the Before Times was all a fever dream, but to the best of my ability to answer your question: yes. It was completely normal to have a friend group with all sorts of people. We've had a dude that was an open (actual) fascist in mine, and the group was majority left-wing. Sometimes things would get heated, and people would fight, but at the end of the day people just wanted to have a good time. The blander views wouldn't even raise an eyebrow. Insert "this is what they took from you" meme.
Now, while I also think the news of Wokeness' death have been greatly exaggerated, I do feel like I can breathe a little. Still not comfortable attaching my Tinker Tuesday github to my resume, but way better than "undercover agent" mode of the COVID era.
Please, I am begging you, tell me with a straight face that the poor economic outcomes of the communist block was due to not accepting enough migrants.
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