ArjinFerman
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ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
Unless you're coding a way to whitelist him, I don't feel like this is an appropriate thread for this post.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
What's farcical? You guys are agreeing:
They'd make housing as quickly and as cheaply as they are making that bullet train.
If I compare any political movement in it's entirety to it's top thought leaders, I get the same result.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
What’s happening here is the wrong decision, just like Roe v. Wade was the wrong decision (for reference, that the Supreme Court had any business deciding the matter - I actually rather like the rule as pragmatic legislation). The law, as written, and procedures, as defined, deserve a great degree of deference.
That might be the case if we were talking about mistakenly making the wrong decision. If the decisions were made maliciously, and in the case of both Roe, and this one, they quite obviously were, the law and procedures deserve active contempt, not deference.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
So? That was from Keith Woods' post, who isn't here to converse with (to my knowledge), while TheDag also cited Trump, a far more well-known figure. Is there a particular reason why I must now educate myself on some dude I never heard of, instead of responding to the broader points using the person I have actually heard about as a reference?
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
"Droves" is an exaggeration - Trump won 18-29 men 49-48 per the 2024 exit poll
SSCReader said it was 56%?
My read is that the MAGA is in the middle of the pack in terms of right-populist movements ability to appeal to young men.
That's fine. I just have issues with calling that "greater problems attracting young people".
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
Correct, that definitely does not count as “my life sucks” in anywhere near the same way as Oliver Anthony style “I’m personally oppressed and downtrodden, and it’s my outgroup’s fault” populism.
I wish I knew who the hell that was. Anyway, since we agree it's not about Trump, looks like w agree OP's thesis can be dismissed.
I don’t think so. I think there’s an important qualitative difference between populist “rage and vengeance” grievance on the one hand — which is what the OP is attributing to Anglophone conservatism — and the technocratic/futurist “we’ve identified the problems, and it’s time to let smart and successful elites determine how to fix those problems” institutionalism of the factions I identified.
How can I determine that this is, in fact, the case, rather than it being a Russell's conjugation?
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
Even if you can find example of the people I’m pointing to saying their outgroup sucks, you’re still missing the “my life sucks” part.
What, "my cars are not selling because of vandalism and smears against my company triggered by my political activity" does not count?
Elon Musk’s life manifestly does not suck,
Does Trump's, or Vance's?
Similarly, the main figures in the “Abundance Democrats” — assuming such a faction does indeed exist
You're the one that posited their existence!
because they believe that such people are actively preventing American society from addressing a major issue that is negatively impacting the lives of many people.
Yes, that's what "my life sucks" meant in TheDag's reductive summary.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
That's all fair enough,but given those numbers I think it's also fair to dismiss the claim that they're having trouble attracting young people (men in particular), unless some kind of supporting argument is provided.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
One could point to the “Abundance Democrats” and the “Tech Right” as two ascendant factions made up very largely of successful, optimistic, non-resentful individuals.
I haven't observed either to be a coherent concept. Someone recently gave Elon as an example of the "Tech Right", and he's pretty quick to complain about he's outgroup the last time I checked. As for "Abundance Democrats", are they the ones constantly blaming "NIMBY's" for everything? Also, neither one of them is particularly credible in their promises of a brighter future, though I suppose that's another topic.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
Define the terms please. There's a version of this I might agree with, if for example by Conservatism you mean it's Boomer implementation, but that's not a problem of Conservatism qua Conservatism, that's a problem of Liberalism writ-large.
My life sucks, boo out group isn't really lyrics that inspire or offer novel insights.
What? There may have been a time that political thinkers would sell you dreams of a shining future, but currently the entire political spectrum is based on "my life sucks, boo out group".
It isn't surprising that the anglosphere right has greater problems attracting young people than the right in the rest of the west.
Isn't this completely false? Last I've seen they had trouble attracting young women, with young men flocking to the in droves.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
Glenn is now denying that he retweeted the video. Normally I'd interpret is as damage control / cope, but I actually have reason to believe him.
You see, I browse twitter through a bespoke nitter -> rss -> miniflux stack, that archives every feed I'm subscribed to, and I'm subscribed to Greenwald, yet I see no trace of the retweet.
The system isn't bulletproof - don't remember the exact settings, but it downloads fresh content only every couple minutes, so there's enough time to post and delete something between refreshes; or sometimes I get hit by rate limiting - but it's pretty good (I routinely catch Alan MacLeod deleting his bangers / retarded takes), so at this point I'm going to need more than a screenshot to believe he actually did this.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
His interview with Tucker Carlson, arguably.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
perhaps you were gesturing at something like the following syllogism: “woke tactics + right-wing views = ‘woke right’; ~every right-winger compares his opponents to Nazis, which is a woke tactic; ergo the entire right is ‘woke right’”
No, I'm gesturing at the exact people who are using the term "woke right" and insisting it's meaningful, using the most hamfisted equivocation between their opponents and Nazis.
I get that you could, in theory, define it in such a way that it actually makes sense, and points at similarities between the woke left and specific factions of the right, but in practice it's just a tactic to avoid discussing ideas liberalism knows it will lose against.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
Is trying to associate people, who's views you don't like, with nazis a woke tactic? Do you know who'd qualify as "woke right" if the answer to that question was "yes"?
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
I'd like a movie where some gigachad Sean Connery secret agent from the 1950s comes forward in time and has to deal with modern norms and lame gadgets, shows all the paper-pushers and pencilnecks what real racism and sexism looks like.
Demolition Man, but different timeframes.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
Greenwald isn't exactly a spring chicken. If he has poor judgement, I think people should be able to show that directly rather than via proxy.
Findom might be insane, but is probably on the least offensive side of the spectrum of degen behavior, and I find it darkly funny that the liberals freaking out about this apparently don't see all their gay friends are doing this right now.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
Sure, but everybody's acting like no one would know about the video barring Greenwald's actions themselves. So I'm asking what context justifies the conclusion.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
Yeah looks like parentheses are in order. I meant anti-(woke-right), not (anti-woke)-right.
Following Trump's recent victory, some anti-woke centrists decided they need to make sure the pendulum does not swing back too far in the other direction, and started attacking people to their right. They coined the term "Woke Right" to show that their actions are justified by the more extreme elements on the right being functionally the same as the woke left.
It's these people that suddenly decided that boosting leaked videos showing you're a paypig findom-enjoyer is a valid angle of attack on someone.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
I keep hearing people say that, so maybe you can explain to me what happened there. Was he bragging? Was the retweet an attempt to get ahead of the scandal?
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
Three of them, even! (Sorry, couldn't resist).
That's a bit of a stretch. Hypocrisy would be if he claimed to be a good Christian boy, and then this stuff came out. Or if he made the same claim you did about the impossibility of human connection while engaging in interracial gay findom meth sex, and then the video came out. But this? Again, where is the hypocrisy, other than in some of the same people attacking him simping for literal porn actresses?
Where's the hypocrisy? Where did you get the idea he's a conservative?
I've seen complaints about hypocrisy of conservative commentates defending Greenwald but those very same complaints (retweeted by James Lindsay) fume about "A leftist pervert with a public sex tape..." (as if he's the one that published it, lol). No sorry, the only hypocrites here are anti-woke-rightists.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
What about it? Her claims remain ridiculous, she continues to grift off them.
What's ridiculous about them? She provided evidence for them. Even for specific claims you singled out as absurd.
Did I say that we should have no controls and no gating whatsoever, thirty second appointments, or are you strawmanning me?
I don't know if it's possible to strawman you, since you keep your opinion implicit. I just noticed you haven't provided a direct argument for the treatments being based on good evidence, and if they're not based on evidence, what is the argument for giving them to children?
Tesla is Musk's biggest source of capital, and it's sales, at least in Europe, were fueled by virtue signalling. Now imagine the look on the face of the exact type of person, that wants to be seen as saving the planet, suddenly being seen as a Nazi instead. Tesla's sales are tanking accordingly, so I consider Elon to be a dead man walking, if he loses political backing. The drama being about the budget, I wonder if he wasn't hoping for some bailout to be included there, which didn't materialize.
Anyway, if being cut loose is a foregone conclusion, he might figure that he might as well drag everyone else down with him.
That's an interesting play, since a fair amount of Trump's base isn't so hot on exploding budgets, so maybe he'll manage to stir the pot this way. But these days it feels like the budget can only explode, and if anyone tried doing something crazy, like balancing it, the whole system would collapse.
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