ArjinFerman
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ArjinFerman
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3mo ago
If rule of law is so masculine, why do men keep breaking it while women follow the rules all around the world?
Because rule of law was specifically designed to deal with the problem of men's anti-social behavior.
If rationality is so masculine, why do men keep gambling away their money, driving drunk and get fat?
Higher male variance.
And if they're more dedicated to truth then how do you explain male dominated politics being so untruthful and so corrupt?
The goal of politics is not the pursuit of truth.
ArjinFerman
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3mo ago
I don't think that changes anything. Neither the bigots in your example nor the people overusing the word "Nazi" are blameless.
This feels like haggling over the price a bit. I'm happy to accept that at the each person's decisions are their own, but my point is indeed that neither side is blameless.
Casting the blame outwards, as if our actions are mere cascading effects of the people with true agency, is to concede we have none. It's an intoxicating idea. It frees us of the burden of temperance and good judgment. But without that burden we are nothing but machines following a routine.
This, on the other hand, assumes that everyone, including the illiberal villains, share your moral framework. If I don't think I'm doing anything wrong, I'm not casting blame on anyone for my actions, I'm just pointing out the conduct of liberals snapped me out of my stupor and made me reassess my positions. I don't think there's much I need to temper (or rather - there are things I do, but they are character traits, not positions I hold), and I believe I'm exercising good judgement.
ArjinFerman
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3mo ago
TBH, I'm more annoyed with magicalkittycat than I remember being with Darwin.
And it's the complete opposite for me, I don't know if that counts as evidence, but I don't think it's him either.
ArjinFerman
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3mo ago
Okay, people are accusing you of being Darwin.
I'm voting "no", the style is quite different.
Does the right exist to provide reputational cover for every crazy Republican, up to and especially Trump?
Why is Trump supposed to be the crazy wing of Republican? The wokes being called crazy is a result of the moderate Democrats not wanting to be associated with them, but Trump being deemed crazy is purely the result of outgroup slander. Honestly, I'm a much better example of a crazy right-winger than anyone in the current administration, and as to whether the right exists me to provide reputational cover - I dunno no man, half of them are doing some weird "neener-neener" bit about the YR kids getting fired, can you provide a similar example from your side?
does that give me license to just dismiss any complaints about the wokies with "I don't care?"
I don't know about you personally, but hasn't the majority of the left, in fact, taken that license?
ArjinFerman
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3mo ago
That's not answering my question. You've been caught several times omitting essential context, or misportraying things from your own links. When it's pointed out, you promptly disappear, only to start another post where you do the exact same thing again. Why?
Could it be then that the answer to all these "what do you mean by 'Nazi'?" questions is "Nazism is just the friends we made along the way"?
All to say, as a liberal I view all illiberalism as evil. And this view is to some degree a matter of faith.
Don't worry about definitions then, I think this answers my questions better than any encyclopedia could.
I think each paragraph you wrote here could spark a fascinating conversation all of it's own, but I'll try to stick to the subject that started ours. If we change the scenario somewhat, to be about your fargroup, rather than your outgroup, would it change any of your calculus?
For example if a mostly secular Arab moves into a western Christian town, is met with rejection and bigotry, runs into a Wahhabi mosque that welcomes him with open arms as a brother, would you not say the westerners share some blame for his radicalization, even when the final decision is on him?
ArjinFerman
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3mo ago
Why are we here, just to suffer? At work they at least pay us for it, but then we do it to ourselves in our free time...
ArjinFerman
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3mo ago
I don't know Unreal, but I'm getting the impression that objects you're spawning have child/subobjects, could it be that some interaction between the child objects sends the root node flying?
ArjinFerman
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3mo ago
I don't know if I can make a case backed by any specifics, but my subjective impression was that there was a qualitative difference between the moderation style of /r/TheMotte and /r/SSC, even when the former also had it's biases / failure modes.
I do remember when it was both everywhere and tedious.
Again, the reason it was "tedious" is because the left-leaning side wasn't satisfied with "maybe it's true, but I oppose doing anything about it on moral grounds", and had to own the chuds on factual grounds as well, which just left a huge opening for a handful of autists to slap them down over and over.
Arguably it could be no other way, as it's something that struck at the core of unspoken rationalist premises, and possibly even liberalism itself, that's why we couldn't help but pick at that particular scab. Trusting The Science, and following Reason and Rationality was supposed to be The Way to manage society, and The Way was specifically supposed to result in progressive social democracy. Suddenly it turns out that Trusting The Science makes you racist, and distrusting The Science undermines the foundations of your own legitimacy, so there was nothing left to do but SegFault over it.
I suppose the other option is to act like the conversation is tedious, and it's just evil chuds going through a wave of an obsession for no reason at all.
ArjinFerman
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3mo ago
My understanding is that the HBD crackdown (more often just: conspicuous non-moderation of rule-breaking anti-HBD posts) was a project by the "bourgeois right" leaning (right but emphatically not alt-) mods, in the class of Amadan or Hlynka (PBUH), rather than the handful of more "left" ones such as netstack.
If memory serves the episode I referred to happened on /r/SSC, where neither of the people you mentioned were mods. Hlynka and Amadan started in /r/TheMotte, Netstack only became a mod after we moved here.
I'm also not talking about mere toleration of rule-breaking coming from one side, there was at one point a literal moratorium on the subject.
ArjinFerman
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3mo ago
It's actually still bad to be a Nazi (or fascist) even after being called one a whole lot, even if by very powerful institutions, even if over long periods of time.
Can you break down what "being a Nazi (or fascist)" is supposed to entail here? If you mean "wanting to gas the Jews" I agree, if it's "losing faith in liberalism" or "wanting out of the multi-kulti salad bowl", I'm not really seeing the badness of it.
It's also actually still bad to be a commie, even if it's the chic, avant-garde, fashionable thing that all your friends are into.
I even disagree with that. I believe that given human nature communism is doomed to turn people evil, but there's nothing inherently bad about believing in the superiority of centrally planned economies, or something.
ArjinFerman
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3mo ago
My opinion is all these folks should exit public service, if they are in it, for 5 years or so, to mature.
In a perfect world, where this is a society-wide norm, maybe.
ArjinFerman
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3mo ago
If my brother has gone crazy then it is my duty to do something about it, whether or not my neighbor is dealing with his crazy brother.
I'll take another stab at this, and try to answer the point you were actually making. Going with your analogy:
- If I run into my crazy brother and my neighbor's crazy brother kicking the shit out of each other, knowing that either of them is crazy enough to turn on me if I come close, or hell that they might even team up against me, if I get between them, oh and there's my neighbor watching the whole thing from afar, not make a single movement or giving any hint he will help, but expecting I will do something about it, do I still have a moral duty to intervene?
- If I run into my crazy brother kicking the shit out of my neighbor, but the last 3 times it was the neighbor's crazy brother kicking the shit out of me, and the neighbor's intervention consisted of saying "ok let's go home now" after his brother beat me to a bloody pulp, do I still have a moral duty to intervene then? In this analogy we are assuming there's no police or higher authority to appeal to.
ArjinFerman
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3mo ago
Is there any particular reason you're posting about this, and then ignoring anyone who raises points that make your entire thesis look it relies on manipulating information, if not outright lying?
Yeah, there was a time when people would discuss it so often, the more left-leaning mods decided to ban the entire topic for a month. Partly a result of 1-2 posters having a hobby horse, and partly of the more left-wing posters not being satisfied with making moral arguments against it, insisting that it must be false, and stepping on rake after rake in the process.
Most people are happy to leave well enough alone, if you don't press the subject.
ArjinFerman
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3mo ago
How have you been doing @Southkraut?
ArjinFerman
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3mo ago
Still refactoring. The content import seems to be working and is a lot cleaner now than it used to be. If all goes well it will even be able to serve all other content sources (Substack, Youtube, etc.) without further modification. I'm currently rewriting the frontend to work with the new data structure, and with any luck I won't be needing separate components for each source either.
I also took a small detour. The database grew a bit over the months and I started noticing the app isn't as fast as it used to be. Turned out that some things I thought I'm handling in bulk ended up being translated into individual queries, some indexes I could swear I set up weren't actually there, and I somehow slept through recursive queries, which I've been dreaming of having for a while, actually becoming available nearly a decade ago. Oh well.
ArjinFerman
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3mo ago
Yeah, I think I was all over the place. The "purge the crazies" bit applied to past conversations that got me here. I wasn't sure how much the YR situation applied originally, but now it seems pretty clear to be humor.
ArjinFerman
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3mo ago
I can understand going out of my way to police the shitposters on my side when the two sides have roughly the same values, mutual respect for one another, and are committed to having a rational conversation. In that case this sort of policing of my side to conduct itself in a way that is not offensive to you reaffirms our mutual respect, serves as tangible evidence that our values are mostly aligned, and helps ensure that the rational dialogue continues. But when:
- These gestures are not reciprocated
- When they are offeres by my side unilaterally, they are not interpreted as proof our values are aligned
- Rational dialogue is not only not happening, any attempt for my side to engage in it is met with coordinated efforts to shut it off
- It's not even clear whether anyone is actually offended by any of this, or if it's just a cynical ploy to disrupt coordination on my side
Why should I work to make my side conform to your aesthetics? This has nothing to do with morality, your aesthetics are not morals.
It's very rarely "just a joke" in the sense that it has other meanings and functions. It is very often just a joke in the sense that the accusations tossed at the people making the joke are false, and the accuser usually knows that in advance.
ArjinFerman
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3mo ago
Sure, but that still means credit goes to Stalin, no?
It was explained several times in the thread. Why do you keep taking quotes out of context, and ignoring answers given to you?
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