ArjinFerman
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ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
Why bend over backwards to dunk on the forum
Sorry about that, but I'm a bit jaded about the pretense of rationality in these discussions. They never have been, and I doubt they even can be.
instead of proposing solutions yourself?
Ban porn sites, dating sites, smartphones, and civilian wireless internet.
There is an obvious 50-Stalins solution to the "romance recession", which is waifu/husbando tech/ever-improving AI partners.
I might be missing something, but it sounds like the opposite of a solution.
In my entire social bubble, tracking from early graduate school if not earlier, there are few signs of "romance recession"
Like I said, not a rational conversation. This argument would be immediately dismissed if it was used to argue for something you disagree with, and you know it.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
The issue is the Dems are a hostile party when it comes to immigration
Why? Aren't they the adults in the room?
but it explicitly rejects the more aggressive notion much of MAGA advanced that Biden
You can reject it all you want, that's not the issue. The point is that Biden was exhibiting enough worrying behavior to warrant questions about whether he's fit for office. It never was a crazy conspiracy theory that the establishment media, including the author, portrayed it as. Even if the more aggressive notion was (originally) wrong, it was still reasonable and justified.
I don't know why the establishment insists on disagreeing with populists in the most obnoxious ways possible, but in anything from "hug an Asian day" at the wake of Covid to smugposting about how safe Brussels is like a week before someone suicide bombed himself there, they just can't seem to express a simple sentiment like "I disagree, but I see where you're coming from". A good deal of the trust issues with media could be solved if they were capable of respectful disagreement.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
You don't have to tell this to me, but I've already heard arguments like "look at those silly conservatives crying about falling birthrates but opposing IVF / surrogacy / artificial wombs".
Sure, I didn't mean that everyone at the motte is progressive, just a decent amount. Possibly a majority, but I'm less sure of that.
And I think RETVRNpoasters (of which I am one) will tend agree with him. Perhaps not on the specifics of the causes and the solutions, but on there being an issue, and the uselessness of boomer-tier "muh bootsraps" advice.
I literally just want to figure out the most most efficient way to show the Boomers pushing the "just improve yourself and then women will flock to you" advice that this is horribly insufficient and increasingly divorced from reality.
You're not going to get very far with that. As anti-woke as this place is, a good chunk, possibly the majority, of the people here are progressive, and the only way they'll accept a criticism of progress is if you 50 Stalins it:
- Global warming can be accepted as an issue, because the solution is anything from galaxy-brained Green New Deals to maor nuclear power.
- The romance recession cannot be accepted as an issue, because the only solution that comes to mind is rolling back of progress
- Declining birthrates might be accepted as an issue in the future, particularly when it starts looking like artificial wombs are realistic, so we'll have a 50 Stalins solution to a progressive problem.
Other than that no one who doesn't fundamentally agree with you already will suddenly start, no matter the amount of evidence.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
How does this address the point that Biden's decline was obvious at the time that the book's author was complicit in it's cover-up?
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
It will be, in fact, perfectly in their power to just continue Trump's policy. If they don't want that, they will be entitled to their decision, but it will be their decision.
Post repo, if gpt's solution doesn't work. Might take a stab at it when I have a moment.
Edit: oops, didn't see your edits when posting.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
How did they do Deepseek so quickly, if they're at such a disadvantage?
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
If conservatism is when you refuse to address entitlements, blow up the budget deficit
Every post-war conservative seems to think it is.
What is Trump conserving exactly?
The population composition of the country, the definition of "woman" and "racial discrimination", children's genitals, classical architecture...
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
Average guy on here, if you had fifty women throwing themselves at you, would you pick the top ten most attractive ones or would you sleep with all fifty?
I can tell you what I hope and pray I'd do, but I don't know if asking a bunch of wallflowers a question about getting attention like this will yield a realistic answer.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
You're talking to an Indian living in Europe, trying to dodge a marriage arranged by his auntie. If there's anyone here playing on hard mode, it's him... Well, on the other hand he is a doctor... Ok, so I don't know exactly what all that calculus comes down to, but if he's able to maintain some optimism, I think he's worth hearing out.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
Trump spends more time with Elon
He had a debt to pay off to Elon, I doubt that Trump will be in any hurry to work with Musk again. If nothing else, two people with such massive egos don't tend work well with each other.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
I suppose I count as defending Hanania - I don't particularly like him, but I think hate for him here is absurdly overblown.
The hate he gets is just a result of people putting him on a pedestal. If it wasn't for that, he'd be indistinguishable from the blur of faceless Substackers that no one cares about. I wouldn't even care that he's calling himself "elite human capital", it's the fact that others agree with his self-image that is absurd, and warrants the reaction to him.
What corruption were the past few Democratic administrations engaged in that exceeded the level of magnitude and blatantness that Trump is now engaged in?
You really don't know? How can you claim Trump is worse if you can't even list a few things off the top of your head. I even gave an example in the other comment (though you did remove it when quoting it, so maybe there's some gaze-averting going on).
Even if you can list examples, why is your response to imply that makes Republicans immune from criticism now
This is why I originally said you're dismissing the argument that Trump doing better. Criticize him all you want, just don't act like MAGAs should be more outraged than they were about the previous administration. At least not without evidence.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
Yes, but if they reverse his policy, the responsibility for that is on them. If the non-MAGA politicians want to act like "adults in the room" they need to stop blaming the parents for not hiding the cookie jar out of their reach.
I'm happy to talk about it, but I'm not willing to grant the assunption that Trump is obviously worse. I think we'd need some sort of standard to judge each administration's excesses, before we can decide which one is actually worse, and we don't even have that.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
What you're saying is that it continuing long-term is entirely up to the next administration. If they want to return to open borders that will be their decision, not Trump's.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
It specifically contrasted against Hunter Biden that Republicans spent years fishing for evidence against.
Are you talking about this paragraph?
Congressional Republicans spent years investigating Hunter Biden, the son of President Joseph R. Biden Jr., for trading on his family name to make millions of dollars, even labeling the clan the “Biden Crime Family.” But while Hunter Biden’s cash flow was a tiny fraction of that of Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump and Jared Kushner, Republicans have shown no appetite for looking into the current presidential family’s finances.
That's not a comparative analysis. Even assuming their conclusion is correct, I don't know how they made their comparison, and have no way of reproducing their result. Be my guest if you think Trump is more corrupt than Biden, but nothing you posted here can be a basis for discussion. You're just venting.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
Well, hell, I'd at least think about voting for him if I thought he could or would carry out some of his grand promises.
He did actually stop immigration, though...
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
That's... what the NYT article was about?
I've only skimmed it, but I didn't see any sort of comparative analysis to the previous administrations, so it cannot back your argument.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
What? My position is that Trump is far worse in terms of corruption
I think you need something to back that argument, rather than assuming everyone agrees with you, and that anyone who doesn't is obviously wrong.
MAGA will never care about Trump doing bad things
Is MAGA worse than you in that regard? I don't recall you criticizing Biden (or his family / administration) much. Even about obvious things like hiding his cognitive decline.
I'll be happy to, but I must also note that the dismissal would absolutely take place (and that you know it would), because the non-rationality of the discourse is part of our conversation. If you want a non-hypothetical example, just look at the conversation in this thread, and note the amount of people that don't even bother questioning OP's evidence, putting forward arguments that are later refuted with evidence, but not changing their mind, etc. This sort of stuff happens all the time, has always happened, and will continue to happen. At some point we should just come clean and admit that the conversation we're having is not based on reason.
We ban shit all the time, and you don't need a dictatorship for it. The EU basically forced retarded cookie banners on the world, so they can force porn sites back into the underground as well.
I'm not convinced this is even a realistic threat. Who is going to leave behind their house, job, and family, because they're not allowed to goon and/or doomscroll on a mobile device?
The latter. If I wanted to maximize reports of happiness/satisfaction, I'd be hooking people on heroin, and ensuring they answer the survey while high.
Aren't you the tribal elder and me the progressive in this scenario? I'm the one insisting the goal is reflective of material reality, while you're the one pushing for a simulacrum with no connection to it.
Anyway, this only proves my thesis. Either your example is reflective of our case - two people talking about two different issues, and the progressive is more than happy to chime in, because he has a progressive solution to a progressive issue - after it's been reframed to be about something else (grain production, rather than the originally raised decline of religion). Or - let's assume the Elder was actually worried about a potential famine - he's happy to talk about it because there is a progressive solution on offer.
You really don't see an issue with the bit I quoted? You'd accept an argument like "in my geographical bubble there's few signs of 'global warming'"?
Not exactly. Sure, it's possible that resistence to anti-natalism will be passed down, but then again it's also possible that it won't, so you're basically saying "we might recover or not" and bring no new definition to the table. And even if recovery does occur, your argument offers no insight into what such a world will look like, and whether we should embrace or avoid it.
I actually think Muslims in Europe are just as susceptible to progressive anti-natalism as Europeans, they might still end up the majority because of different starting points for the trends, but I'm not in favor of naive extrapolation of the present state.
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