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ArjinFerman

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You'd rather get locked up instantly?

Depends for how long. Also, the obvious injustice of it might paradoxically help me retain my standing in my community.

UrgentSloth was commenting on the dichotomy between "due process" and "locked up without", not between "due process" and "unmolested".

Then maybe he should have said that, instead of saying "Due process is never a weapon. The denial of it is the weapon."

Due process is never a weapon.

I completely disagree with this. Knowingly dragging an innocent person through the court system in an attempt to intimidate or punish him for his lawfully taken actions is a weapon, and has already been used. Cool! I get my "day in court", several in fact! I get to spend from tens up to hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting the feds, and if my lawyers slip up, I'm getting locked up. Yay "due process"!

Garcia didn't get his, and you or I may not get ours (respectively, depending on who wins '28).

If that's supposed to sound scary, you should probably stop your side from using "due process" as a weapon to begin with.

exactly, would you propose I do to "change my behavior" going forward? Vote Republican?

Oh, nothing like that, just say something next time you're rather disquieted.

We do have strong norms against men going into the women's bathroom. We do not have strong norms against men sexualizing a person which is somewhat passing as female in the men's bathroom.

But trans activists were arguing (and for quite a few years were very successful) for a significant exception to the norms against men going to the women's bathroom. The original interpretation of the GRA even made it illegal to refuse certain men access to the bathroom. You originally phrased your objection as one based on liberty and skepticism of solving the issue through law, and I find it odd you're glossing over this aspect now.

Maybe the pre-existing norms make it less likely for women to be raped by MTFs, then for MTFs to be raped by men, but the argument is completely speculative, while your original objection was:

How many perverts who got their GRC just to watch naked women are there in the UK, anyhow? Is this a practical concern, do women get raped by m2f GRC holders in safe spaces, or is this a moral panic?

So is this a practical concern for MTF GRC holders being raped by men, or is this a moral panic? I think you should answer the question the way it was asked, or concede that it was not a valid argument to begin with.

Personally, I would give any m2f who is passing at more than about 50% probationary access to the women's bathroom

Personally, if they really feel unsafe in the men's bathroom, I'd say they can use the disabled ones. There's plenty of them, and new buildings are mandated to have them.

At the end of the day, the other thing about bathroom segregation is enforcement. We probably don't want to declare any man who is in a women's bathroom a sex offender.

Sure. I think it's enough if women get to be able to scream "Eeeeek! A man!", and have the nearest security guard or concerned citizen kick the interloper out, and for establishments to be able to ban repeat offenders from their premises without exposing themselves to lawsuits.

It looks like my project is starting to take form. I can browse a Twitter profile, I can check individual tweets and it's comment, and I started adding some interactivity so I can now tag them ("favorites", "read") as well. It's slowly approaching the point of usability of my old cobbled-together solution for browsing Twitter. I hope that by next week I will be able to:

  • Make the "subscribe" button work
  • Add a script to download content from the subscribed to profiles
  • Start on reorganizing the database architecture to optimize performance.

From what I understand, the kind of things that American YIMBY's complain about, is that you are not even allowed to demolish a house and replace it with a flat. Maybe they have more flexibility in rural areas.

I don't even have anything against that, I'm just asking why are all the elves so much into Eyes Wide Shut orgies, and reproduction via Brave New World horrors?

In my ~10,000 pop. home village they routinely raze perfectly good, newish houses to replace them with 3-story, 6-small-apartments buildings. It's nuts the wealth that gets destroyed because people can't get a building license.

Huh? Am I missing something, or is that YIMBY, rather than NIMBY?

P.S.: Now that you mention it, I saw the same thing happen in one of the towns I lived.

Well, I'd say whatever argument for preventing that from happening by not letting cis mes into the same room with trans women, applies to not letting trans women into the same room with cis women.

If the argument for forcing establishments, by law, to let trans women into women's bathrooms, is "well, where there really that many rapes?", that same argument should apply to just letting them go to the men's bathroom to begin with.

If you're just going to say "I don't trust either side's statistics on this", then we need a different argument entirely.

Well, rape is a very bad outcome, and this is why it is fielded as an argument by both the TERFs and the trans activists.

I haven't really seen it used as an argument by TERFs to be honest.

Anyway, you haven't answered the other part of the question. If rape is the argument, and there isn't enough of it to keep trans women out of women's bathrooms, what is the evidence that trans women will be raped more in mens bathrooms?

Presumably, some men are uncomfortable being oogled by gay men (likely a reason why openly gay people were banned from the military), and likely some women would prefer not to undress in front of a lesbian.

Somehow we haven't seen a massive outcry about gays in mens bathrooms, or lesbians in women's bathrooms, so probably any discomfort created is much lower than the one caused by males in women's bathrooms.

And some trans people will cause someone to be uncomfortable no matter where you put them.

The question is will it be less or more.

The only time I hear a connection between immigration and house prices is in a positive context, from home owners: ‘with all these immigrants, the prices can’t go down!’.

Instead of solving one problem, homeowners’ financial incentives are creating two.

You hearing it only as a positive is not surprising, as anything else is considered crass in polite society.

In any case I don't know how much of it can be laid on the feet of homeowners. Most people I know fret more about their mortgage rates than the value of the home they bought, haven't really heard anyone complaining about new construction, and I definitely haven't seen homeowner friends lobby for more immigration.

I know for a fact there’s a shit ton of red tape, plus the greens consider any new constructible land to be ‘a loss for nature’.

Well, like I said, I don't know much about this so I'm not gonna fight about it too hard.

The problem is worse in the UK and Ireland than in Continental Europe, but Barcelona, Paris, and Frankfurt all show the classic pattern, with the same retarded political response as London or San Francisco.

Are you sure?

You keep doing this thing where you want to school ignorant Americans on how the world is, and act like you know about a whole bunch of things that... well, let me just say if you really do have deep knowledge about all these subjects and their peculiarities in all these different places, my hat is off too you, and I really respect you.

I lived in a bunch of European cities, and have indeed noticed that the housing prices are too damn high. What I don't know is whether this issue is caused by NIMBY. I have no knowledge of the ins-and outs of real estate development in any of the places I lived in. As far as I can tell there's a historical center (and I mean actually historical) in most cities that they like to preserve, and otherwise there isn't much of a fuss to build anywhere else. Definitely none of the car-centrism, or allergy to "density" that the YIMBY's love to complain about.

This is "doomed because not following my preferred policy", because calling it "NIMBY" implies the solution is "just build more, bro", when it's an open question how affordable that would be, and how much it would even help in the face of the current immigration numbers.

The right to tell the truth as you see it, and act accordingly. The Gender Recognition Act was, and various self-ID laws throughout the western world still are, forcing people to treat some males as if they were women.

Now if only you could find it in your heart to not infringe on the rights of non-progressives in your own country...

Krugman was certainly an uncommon partisan hack, but he was indeed both a partisan and a through that partisanship a hack. What separates Scott Sumner in nature, if not scale of popularity?

It's been a loooong time since I followed him, but I don't think he's as bad as Krugman (who is?). As far as I remember he's a pro-establishment libertarian-lite, who will occasionally side with either party, so strictly speaking not "partisan" (though deranged on the issue of populism).

Defining the word "woman" based on biological sex is just redundant and makes it harder to discuss things. We already have the words "female" and "male" to describe biological sex.

Redundancy exists in language, it's called a synonym and there's nothing wrong with that. However, in this case you are wrong as there are differences between the words "female" and "woman". "Female" can refer to a specimen of any sexually dimorphic species of any age. "Woman" refers only to humans and only to adults.

If the government insists on giving special privileges to "women", then anyone should be able to identify as a "woman" if they want to.

You're not making sense, if anyone should be allowed to get special privileges, they are no longer special. You can argue, if you want, for abolishing all special privileges, but it's a marginal position in society that is rejected even by trans activists themselves.

I think feminists use the word "woman" instead of "female" to somewhat soften their policy positions.

No they don't. Everyone knows it's discriminatory, that's the entire point, and no one uses the words to refer to the social constructs.

I am not "they". I certainly was rather disquieted to learn that those dated back to Obama's administration

If you want people to "update their priors about their outgroup", you have to change your behavior going forward, not pinky-promise that you totally were "disquieted" way back when, with no trail to show for it.

At the end of the day, you only get to choose which lizardmen rule over you, don't you?

That might be true on average - i.e. space-padding articles that are forgotten they moment you're finished reading. I doubt that's how narrative-setting ones about hot CW issues are written.

How many perverts who got their GRC just to watch naked women are there in the UK, anyhow? Is this a practical concern, do women get raped by m2f GRC holders in safe spaces, or is this a moral panic?

Step me through this, why are statistically significant amounts of rape the only valid reason for keeping trans women away from women's spaces? If trans women don't get raped in the men's bathrooms, can we just declare that they have no right to access women's batrooms?

On the matter, I don't think there is a great "one size fits all" solution. Allowing biologically male perverts to intrude on women safe spaces just by yelling "I identify as a woman" seems bad.

Why are we limiting the analysis to perverts? If that was the only problem was perverts, we would have simply allowed all other men int women's spaces, or every space would be unisex.

Forcing someone who underwent HRT and surgery and passes as female even naked to shower with the guys also seems bad.

Why?

Also, how common do you think this case even is?

For that matter, making a passing f2m with beard, muscles and a dick shower with the women is also not helping anyone.

The most disturbing thing about seeing a naked FTM with a dick, is that you get to see the frankensteinian nature of "gender affirming" surgeries in all their glory, not mistaking them for a cis man.

Also, should I don't think it is a good idea to let the government regulate which groups get safe spaces where. If a private swimming pool decides to establish unisex communal showers, let them try it.

"When I am weaker than you I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles".

The GRA, before this ruling, was actively forcing anyone who wanted to implement traditional sex segregation to include "trans women" in the women's category.

Quotas suck in the first place.

Yes, a "I didn't expect the leopards to eat my face" moment for the TERFs. Doesn't change the fact that no one on the trans side has a problem with quotas for women, until they're taken away from trans women.

When the left identifies with orcs it's usually about the orcs being less evil than they are pictured.

When I see cheering for Luigi, or claims that people killed by Stalin had it coming, I don't see a lot of "being less evil than pictured", why should I believe it's different for orcs and Starship Trooper bugs?

When the right identifies with orcs

When have you seen that?

Looks like I won't make it with my update until tomorrow, so for now here's your regularly scheduled ping @Southkraut, how have you been doing?

What do you mean by "capacity"? If you tell someone who doesn't have hands to do pull-ups, I'd probably agree. If the lack of "capacity" is just their decision to to follow the advice, then there's nothing wrong with the advice itself.

It might be part of being well suited for someone, but I don't think it has much impact on whether it's good in itself.