ArjinFerman
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ArjinFerman
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22d ago
People don't have memories long enough to recognize it as hypocrisy, and even when they do, overcoming your bias is a very hard struggle that most people will fail at.
Democracy is just the packaging for power anyway.
ArjinFerman
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22d ago
I won the majority of the bets I made to date, the ones I have open can plasibly still turn around, but they're looking pretty good, actually, and I paid off my mortgage.
I'm also taking bets on this issue, and I actually think making future predictions is much more productive here than writing fanfics based on your psychoanalysis of the shooter. I believe the incestigations are going to keep turning up evidence that he was a radicalized leftist, and there were no personal motives for his shooting.
ArjinFerman
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22d ago
I have no idea.
Even if such would-be shooters exist, the idea this Robinson is one seems to be justified by absolutely nothing, except the fanfic you wrote.
ArjinFerman
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22d ago
I'm sorry but none of this strikes me as serious or meaningful
That's fine, though the fact that the ide he would have packed up and left, if Kirk hadn't mentioned trans people, does strike you as serious, shows your analytical skills aren't particulrly reliable in matters related to this case.
Your position of "it's bad no matter who does it", is one that I can agree with myself. It has some practical questions to answer like "...and after this wonderful showing of principles nd refual to retaliate, how are you going to prevent them from stomping on your face after they get bck into power", but if you can give a good answer, I'm more than happy to agree.
But his position I can only interpret as "it's only wrong when you do it".
ArjinFerman
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22d ago
I get where you're coming from, but there is no way to turn down the temperature. The brainwormed extremist 5% on each side have control of the thermostat and are only interested in turning it up.
The people turning up the temperature for me right now are the "reasonable centrist" types, much moreso than the extremists. I can tell when someone has brainworms, and roll my eyes at them as long as they're not a danger to anyone.
The centists? Ho, boy. From immeditely going o a NEVER AGAIN crusade against cancel culture, even thoughvhe was completelt unbothered by it for 10 years straight, to writing massive essays about how it's okbto shit on a man's corpse before his family had time to bury it, because "something something grifter" and he wasn't an autitic rationalist setting aside his biases at every step, to "actually he wasn't leftist, he was a gamer", to "it's the victim's fault, the shooter would have walked away, if the guy wasn't so mean to trans people", the centrists have been far more radicalizing than the radicals.
The ones walking away from this looking the best, are the ones who at least have the decency to not say anything. Their approach makes it hard to get a headcount, but I noticed a few, and appreciate them.
ArjinFerman
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22d ago
It's a bit of too gossippy for me to lean on it either way, but how does this make things complicated?
ArjinFerman
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22d ago
Though there it was an anthem of the thieves, who weren't particularly political
However, the history of the song is explicitly explained in the show, so it's not hard to imagine how a binge-watching leftie would get the idea to re-adopt it.
ArjinFerman
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22d ago
That's very convenient because none of these things are relevant. The Christchurch shooter had a particular ideology, and no one would have acceoted "well, he wasn't registered Republican" as an excuse (righlty so).
ArjinFerman
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22d ago
Does this mean we have open season for dark humor, and you will defend the type of humor you don't like, or is this a lame gotcha attempt?
ArjinFerman
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22d ago
Like I said, I'm taking bets. This isn't based on evidence, this isbthe left psy-opping itself in a desperate attempt to deflect responsibility. Notice how you had to gloss over the "catch this, fascist", and invert "bella ciao" to even make it make some semblance of sense, and they also doxxed a completely innocent man in an attempt to prove the killer donated to Trump.
The closest analogy to this is Nick Sandman, when you lot desided his smirk is somehow racist. Once it's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt he's a lefty, we'll come back to pretending none of this has ever happened, and that he's somehow not representative of the left.
ArjinFerman
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22d ago
She was always an economic-left / cultural-righ type. I don't think her views changed much at all outside of coming to certain unflattering conclusions about the state of the contemporary left.
ArjinFerman
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23d ago
Kirk opposed the civil rights act. Motteposters may not consider that a far-right political view, but normies do.
If you just drop that little factoid and leave it at that, this might be true. When you explain why he opposes it it will probablynturn out that even a good chunk of liberals agree with him.
It's always then same story with these slogans.
ArjinFerman
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23d ago
We can talk about cooling the rhetoric once the 2026 elections happen.
Of all the things to say... I don't suppose it crossd their kind this incident might have a negative impact on the coming elections?
ArjinFerman
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23d ago
Maybe? Depends on the situation. This isn't something governed by codified rules.
ArjinFerman
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23d ago
Maybe younger people have had more chances of being exposed to it through Casa de Papel, but it's been floating around in general culture for a long time.
We're living in a time when cultural references in political discourse (what's left of it) consist of Star Wars, Harry Potter and Marvel movies. "Leftie academic types" were a core of my friend group, and none of them has hard the song in their life, before the show came out. The kinds of behavior you describe as the source of your knowledge of the song is so rare, I wouldn't be surprised if half your fiends had "von" in their last name.
ArjinFerman
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23d ago
Imagine that someone you really hated was randomly struck down by a freak bolt of lightning.
There's people where this sort of thing is understandable - Trump is obviously the avatar of Evil for a lot of people, so this would be expected - and cases where I think the humane reaction is to take a step back, and if you can't do that, it's time for a "are we the baddies" check.
Maybe I'd get annoyed if someone wanted to make a statue for Hasan Piker or something, but honestly, if we got through the beatifiction of St. Floyd, St.Kirk should be no skin off anyone's nose.
ArjinFerman
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23d ago
Maybe as a case of big fish small pond? I guearantee you most people never heard of it, and to the extent they did the chart I linked below speaks for itself.
ArjinFerman
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23d ago
The lefties who are cheering for his death would not have seen him as a moderate,
This is the issue. Who is a moderate in the eyes of these people? If Kirk doesn't qualify, it means to most conservtive you can be, is a liberal.
ArjinFerman
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23d ago
This so so boo outgroup I'm shocked it doesn't run afoul of the rules.
It's not, for the sme reason your post isn't.
Now the right is committed to glazing Kirk and any concept of the "Truth" is out the window, and the right wants to silence you when you speak up. The "moderate" lefties are probably doing the same exact thing the "moderate" righties were doing.
This makes no sense as a steelman. Kirk does not represent a a detraction from the truth so great, any concept ofbit goes out the window. Anyone who claims so would have to be even more diaguated by academia, the mainstream media, not to mention the heaps upon heaps of influencers they follow themselves.
They can't be disturbed by the silencing in principle, because that would require them to have a long track record of complaints against the much worse silencing done by the left.
ArjinFerman
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23d ago
Yeah, though it's almost certainly due to the TV show. Thanks for confirming alignment, though. It made sense, but I couldn't be sure there wasn't some Guy Fawkesaesque valance flip.
Yeah, this is starting to feel like an elaborate version of the mental gymnastics meme. I can get the "just because a lefty did it, that doesnt say anything about the broader left" reaction, but we're cycling through them and they're getting increasingly frantic.
And again I can understand that from a hard-leftist, but it's quite a bit more disturbing coming from the moderate ones.
ArjinFerman
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23d ago
In addition to being a general Antifa thing Bella Ciao was used by the guy who attacked an ICE facility in 2019, as pointed out by Andy Ngo. So it's possible he took some inspiration from that, though it could just be generally popular enough in those circles that both referenced it.
The actual reference for the song is the Netflix series Money Heist (by which I mean: yes it comes from the Itallian partisans, but literally none of these people would know that, were it not for the series). It was wildly popular in Europe, and is about as apolitical as you can get when writing a story about breaking into the European Central Bank. I think some of the iconography might have adapted by some activists, and if I had to guess the side, it would be left, but I'm not sure on that.
ArjinFerman
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23d ago
The only part of that statement I'd disagree with is "squish".
Anyway, what is even the point you're trying to make here? When people are talking about his views they're trying to say that he wasn't saying any crazy extremist "fighting words" shit, and that he was trying to persuade his opponents by means of civil debate. If that's so beyond the pale that it warrants cheering for his death, than what the hell is supposed to be an acceptable way of being a conservative and participating in politics?
Somewhere in here you were lamenting how the place is just a husk of it's former self. Is your recollection of it's glory days that of people grasping on to typos of their interlocutor, in an attempt to avoid making predictions? Does your tone throughout this conversation represent what you think we should strive for?
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