ArjinFerman
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ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
I don't know Unreal, but I'm getting the impression that objects you're spawning have child/subobjects, could it be that some interaction between the child objects sends the root node flying?
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
I don't know if I can make a case backed by any specifics, but my subjective impression was that there was a qualitative difference between the moderation style of /r/TheMotte and /r/SSC, even when the former also had it's biases / failure modes.
I do remember when it was both everywhere and tedious.
Again, the reason it was "tedious" is because the left-leaning side wasn't satisfied with "maybe it's true, but I oppose doing anything about it on moral grounds", and had to own the chuds on factual grounds as well, which just left a huge opening for a handful of autists to slap them down over and over.
Arguably it could be no other way, as it's something that struck at the core of unspoken rationalist premises, and possibly even liberalism itself, that's why we couldn't help but pick at that particular scab. Trusting The Science, and following Reason and Rationality was supposed to be The Way to manage society, and The Way was specifically supposed to result in progressive social democracy. Suddenly it turns out that Trusting The Science makes you racist, and distrusting The Science undermines the foundations of your own legitimacy, so there was nothing left to do but SegFault over it.
I suppose the other option is to act like the conversation is tedious, and it's just evil chuds going through a wave of an obsession for no reason at all.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
My understanding is that the HBD crackdown (more often just: conspicuous non-moderation of rule-breaking anti-HBD posts) was a project by the "bourgeois right" leaning (right but emphatically not alt-) mods, in the class of Amadan or Hlynka (PBUH), rather than the handful of more "left" ones such as netstack.
If memory serves the episode I referred to happened on /r/SSC, where neither of the people you mentioned were mods. Hlynka and Amadan started in /r/TheMotte, Netstack only became a mod after we moved here.
I'm also not talking about mere toleration of rule-breaking coming from one side, there was at one point a literal moratorium on the subject.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
It's actually still bad to be a Nazi (or fascist) even after being called one a whole lot, even if by very powerful institutions, even if over long periods of time.
Can you break down what "being a Nazi (or fascist)" is supposed to entail here? If you mean "wanting to gas the Jews" I agree, if it's "losing faith in liberalism" or "wanting out of the multi-kulti salad bowl", I'm not really seeing the badness of it.
It's also actually still bad to be a commie, even if it's the chic, avant-garde, fashionable thing that all your friends are into.
I even disagree with that. I believe that given human nature communism is doomed to turn people evil, but there's nothing inherently bad about believing in the superiority of centrally planned economies, or something.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
My opinion is all these folks should exit public service, if they are in it, for 5 years or so, to mature.
In a perfect world, where this is a society-wide norm, maybe.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
If my brother has gone crazy then it is my duty to do something about it, whether or not my neighbor is dealing with his crazy brother.
I'll take another stab at this, and try to answer the point you were actually making. Going with your analogy:
- If I run into my crazy brother and my neighbor's crazy brother kicking the shit out of each other, knowing that either of them is crazy enough to turn on me if I come close, or hell that they might even team up against me, if I get between them, oh and there's my neighbor watching the whole thing from afar, not make a single movement or giving any hint he will help, but expecting I will do something about it, do I still have a moral duty to intervene?
- If I run into my crazy brother kicking the shit out of my neighbor, but the last 3 times it was the neighbor's crazy brother kicking the shit out of me, and the neighbor's intervention consisted of saying "ok let's go home now" after his brother beat me to a bloody pulp, do I still have a moral duty to intervene then? In this analogy we are assuming there's no police or higher authority to appeal to.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
Is there any particular reason you're posting about this, and then ignoring anyone who raises points that make your entire thesis look it relies on manipulating information, if not outright lying?
Yeah, there was a time when people would discuss it so often, the more left-leaning mods decided to ban the entire topic for a month. Partly a result of 1-2 posters having a hobby horse, and partly of the more left-wing posters not being satisfied with making moral arguments against it, insisting that it must be false, and stepping on rake after rake in the process.
Most people are happy to leave well enough alone, if you don't press the subject.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
How have you been doing @Southkraut?
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
Still refactoring. The content import seems to be working and is a lot cleaner now than it used to be. If all goes well it will even be able to serve all other content sources (Substack, Youtube, etc.) without further modification. I'm currently rewriting the frontend to work with the new data structure, and with any luck I won't be needing separate components for each source either.
I also took a small detour. The database grew a bit over the months and I started noticing the app isn't as fast as it used to be. Turned out that some things I thought I'm handling in bulk ended up being translated into individual queries, some indexes I could swear I set up weren't actually there, and I somehow slept through recursive queries, which I've been dreaming of having for a while, actually becoming available nearly a decade ago. Oh well.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
Yeah, I think I was all over the place. The "purge the crazies" bit applied to past conversations that got me here. I wasn't sure how much the YR situation applied originally, but now it seems pretty clear to be humor.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
I can understand going out of my way to police the shitposters on my side when the two sides have roughly the same values, mutual respect for one another, and are committed to having a rational conversation. In that case this sort of policing of my side to conduct itself in a way that is not offensive to you reaffirms our mutual respect, serves as tangible evidence that our values are mostly aligned, and helps ensure that the rational dialogue continues. But when:
- These gestures are not reciprocated
- When they are offeres by my side unilaterally, they are not interpreted as proof our values are aligned
- Rational dialogue is not only not happening, any attempt for my side to engage in it is met with coordinated efforts to shut it off
- It's not even clear whether anyone is actually offended by any of this, or if it's just a cynical ploy to disrupt coordination on my side
Why should I work to make my side conform to your aesthetics? This has nothing to do with morality, your aesthetics are not morals.
It's very rarely "just a joke" in the sense that it has other meanings and functions. It is very often just a joke in the sense that the accusations tossed at the people making the joke are false, and the accuser usually knows that in advance.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
Sure, but that still means credit goes to Stalin, no?
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
Granted, they did do the Nazi thing of rounding up co-ethnics and shipping them off to concentration camps in Siberia
By contrast, there's a country in the Near East- the ethnicity of its founders even had 'nazi' as part of their name- that despite its small size actively sends armed 'settlers' into a combat zone to displace the natives there, spends a great deal of treasure doing this, and the people that do those things have a TFR above 2. That just ain't a thing the average communist does.
Because they don't have to. Russia / the USSR is a different creature, but the Soviet satellite states were so ethnically homogeneous, they'd give the average Californian a stroke. And come to think of it this might even apply to the USSR, give or take minor Soviet Republics being flooded with ethnic Russians to maintain control, it's not like you were free to travel around that country. As for TFR, I think my generation is the last above-replacement one.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
Yeah, he should get some credit for that. It's more than you can say for Republican Spain, or even modern progressives.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
a total lack of emphasis on family formation and children
I was just a baby at the time, but that seems a bit off. My parents told me the message at the time was "the family is the basic cell of a society", and other such slogans that you could easily mistake for coming from the Tradcath sphere.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
I don't think the USSR was a particularly feminised society.
As feminists (and even superficially non-feminist women) will tell you, even today's society isn't. The USSR definitely did have a short stint of the sort of progressive craziness we are facing right now, which Stalin had to cut short, when he realized it's ruining the country, and he might have a war or two to fight.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
Liberalism is not a dictatorship of the working class; liberalism is a codified cease-fire between groups that naturally seek to become dictatorships to let them exploit their resource surplus
That's the Superbowl ad of liberalism that it purchases to try to sell itself. What liberalism actually is, is a silent conspiracy of lizardmen to sell you for a slave, while pretending this is what you wanted all along.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
Liberalism is what a dictatorship of the working class looks like when it goes through gender affirming care.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
No. Otherwise it would mean you've just become about as literal Nazi as possible in a world where the Nazi party is no longer around.
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
…did you ever?
I did. The whole reason I got into /r/SSC and The Motte is because I thought they represented a chance for dialogue between the two sides, and a chance for each of us to say "I guess they make some good points sometimes", come together, and either forge a common path, or at least forge a pact to purge the crazies on each respective side. All I got for the trouble was "not good enough" said in so many ways, and a litany of denials that there's anything wrong with the progressive side, and that if I think otherwise, it's because I'm being uncharitable.
Now... you know me (and I know me), I know I'm prone to sperging out at times, but I was actually trying, but at this point, why bother? This isn't even accusatory, I know your heart's in the right place, but I know that you and people like you are incapable of stopping the things I find offensive and distasteful that come from your side, so why should I police mine?
ArjinFerman
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1mo ago
If you're really curious about what I think about actually supporting actual Hitler, than I'm against it and don't find it acceptable, but the point is you don't get to tell me what constitutes supporting Hitler.
Why are we here, just to suffer? At work they at least pay us for it, but then we do it to ourselves in our free time...
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