ArjinFerman
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ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
12hr ago
It's very recently where we've started coddling teenagers like we do with babies and toddlers.
Ok, do you want to give 12 year olds the right to sign contracts, join the military, etc?
Also, if you want to RETVRN, I'm pretty sure that wanting to chop parts of your body off would be grounds to limit even an adults autonomy, due to lunacy and/or demonic posesion.
Autonomy? Parent alone choosing for a baby vs parent and teen.
Not really. Even you accepted that in case of babies, it's normal for parents to override autonomy, we already accept the parents will be making. Also, there's a difference between forcing a procedure on someone (vaxx), and banning it. We do the latter all the time, but there's a taboo on the former.
Only a tiny minority (if anyone), of trans activists is in favor of a complete abolition of all medical regulations, so I'm not sure why you're seeing hypocricy in only one side.
Severity? 1.5% of the newborns died with just measles alone in Samoa.
Uh, are we talking about transitioning kids in Samoa? Why bring them up?
Reverseability? While neither are wholly reversible, death is a lot worse than getting breasts removed and regretting it.
Sure, I'll even grant that in extreme enough circumstances, mandatory vaccinations could be justified.
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
15hr ago
Oh, it gets better. On the off chance you decide to have a kid after all this, you can look forward to stuff like this:
I'm numb on the top of my chest, and I continue to be unable to feel on my skin [my son], or myself, or my boyfriend or anyone... But there's like chest tissue that is becoming engorged and filling with milk that is trapped in between scar tissue that's under my chest. I got these, like, rocks in my chest. When it happens, you can see it physically, like my chest getting large rocks in it, but it's not two, like breasts... it's little rocks and lumps and they're hot, and they're painful, and you can physically see it.
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
15hr ago
You don't understand how parents overruling children's autonomy is in the same category of parents overruling children's autonomy?
Yeah. Parents overrule children's autonomy all the time, arguably that's what they're for. Overriding it to the point where they can't leave their house unaccompanied is so extreme that it does belong in a separate category, in my opinion.
I've argued against vaccine mandates.
Really? You were here during the Covid era? My memory isn't great but I feel like I would have made a note given how vicious the Blues were at the time.
But generally I'm pretty damn consistent here, government out individual responsibilities in.
So you're assuming everyone else is a Randian / bordering on ancap? Because I don't see where's the hypocrisy otherwise.
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
15hr ago
and I don't really get the object to 17+ mastectomies. These processes do have risks and side effects, but they're relatively well-bounded and understood.
They're irreversible, 17 is still in the "crazy teenager" years, and even for the purposes of gender dysphoria, they don't seem like something that can't wait a few years. I of course have my issues with blockers / hormones, but I at least understand the logic, that at a certain age you have to pick a path, and it will be very complicated to roll it back if you do it later. There's a potential compromise I could see, where instead of mastectomies they'd be doing breast reduction, with preservation of function.
and combined with the drastically reduced incidence of desistance by those age ranges
Where do you get that from? From what I understand desistence is still pretty understudied.
Eh, I get this is playful overstatement, but the extent minor insurance tomfoolery is tolerated is pretty important to recognize
I appreciate you been evenhanded on this, and I was trying to do the same. I wouldn't have anything against asserting general minor insurance tomfoolery, but asserting tomfoolery that conveniently supports my point didn't feel fair, and I wanted to make it clear I find any potential skepticism completely valid.
Some discussion here
Huh, I can't believe I didn't catch that at the time.
Similarly, SEGM estimates a maximum of 1k masectomies on under-18s per year
This would be lower than the STH number, but not by much (and that's expected as they include other forms of surgery, including the infamous laser hair removal).
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
15hr ago
Personally I'm pretty strong in children having that right but the trend has been consistently towards more and more helicopter parenting and coddling children so much even teenagers aren't allowed to leave their neighborhoods so that's just been lost.
You think parents not letting their kids leave their neighborhood, and parents not letting their kids chop off healthy body parts belongs in the se category?
Sure, so what about the attempts to ban transition in situations where the parents and children both agree to do it
We can probably work out some sort of a compromise. Say, we make it illegal for doctors to put pressure on parents with made up nonsense like "would you rather have a happy daughter or a dead son?" or lie about the reversibility of the procedures, but otherwise allow it for people who know what they're signing up for.
There's lots of possible compromises, but it requires the other side coming to the table. Currently, they still refuse, and insist on censoring us instead.
Finally, what I want to know why is this literally thr only subject where people's libertarianism comes out? Why haven't I seen your principled anti-government libertarianism around during the Covid era?
My cynical interpretation is "it's only downhill from there".
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