ArjinFerman
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ArjinFerman
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58m ago
Therefore you can’t get “immersion” from reading if you’re reading at home
Eh... I feel like this is way too strict. Arguably this would make immersion impossible these days, because the gateway to your native language is right there in your pocket, whether you live in a foreign country or not.
What do you guys mean by immersion?
Learning by interacting with the natives, in any form. It can be talking to them, it can be reading books, or consuming their media. The more you do it, the more "immersed" you are.
ArjinFerman
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1hr ago
One thing I'd add here is that while I understand the US focus in this discussion, a quick glance north of the border, or across the Atlantic, will show that we already have regimes that will directly penalize political speech, without relying on proxies like guns, or fig leafs like "hostile work environment".
Even if everyone originally involved in this conversation is from the US, I think "I'm worried the US will become like Europe" is inherently less sneerworthy than worrying the US will implement restrictions that are seen as beyond the pale in the West in general.
ArjinFerman
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1hr ago
What even is a native speaker? Children have to learn their language too.
ArjinFerman
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1hr ago
So? You can do immersion with reading the same way you do it with listening.
No. You might say they are expected to learn English, and even then the variance you'll see in the population is going to be pretty big. They definitely aren't expected to learn a third language, and in the case where they studied one, they're usually unable to actually use it.
In that case we can also say beginner-level students don't make mistakes, they just speak in beginner dialect.
Is this just kindergarden / early elementary level? Otherwise I'd expect them to pick up some vocabulary related to math, science, history, art... the stuff they're supposed to be learning while at school. Reading classical literature and writing essays about it in French should help too.
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