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				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 2, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Sure, here's one.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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Woke leftists usually get away with quite a bit more than a median poster here. Even you get the kid glove treatment, but don't see it.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 9, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


No but economics is and is a far better tool than your gut when dealing with large markets and the mass decisions of human behavior.




I don't have a particularly high opinion on economics either. It managed to distill a few laws of "never go full-retard" but not much beyond that. I'm also not sure how you reconcile economics fan-boyism with your criticism of technocracy.




What else do you call someone who attempts to solve human problems like its an experiment to be managed or its factorio/paradox/rimworld esque. I think this impulse is exactly the technocratic one.




I don't want to do that though. Factorio / Rimworld / Paradox are deterministic systems that autists can optimize with statistics and excel sheets. I just want to bonk people on the head.




Obviously not, but plenty on the right object to being forced into compliance as though they were playthings of the technocratic mind.




Well, I'm also fine with admitting I'm not exactly like the median rightwinger. I think a lot of the people complaining about being "forced into compliance" are naive and/or haven't thought their position through very much. Every society forces people into compliance one way or the other, and most of the debates are actually about  what should we be forcing people to comply with, and in what manner. We're also expanding a lot of effort into pretending this isn't what the debate is about, but the only people I ever met who don't want to force compliance are literal ancaps, so unless you're one of them, you have no ground for criticism here.


Technocracy is a separate issue where you assume there's some sort of domain of expertise that will grant you legitimacy and enable you to make optimal decisions. I think that's folly, and it's prone to spawning a lot of pathologies in society.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 2, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


No, personal criticism of the person you're debating with almost never goes well. It breeds defensiveness, vitriol, and one-upsmanship.






OK, they're free to do that, but I do not think this is within the realm of "reasonable people could disagree". I'd say most people would think these types of statements cross a line. At the very least they don't add productively to the conversation, and it would be better without them.




You're entitled to your opinion, but I disagree with you. I think most people think it's fine, including you. Otherwise you wouldn't be doing the "chopping a piece out of a sentence to imply he said something quite different than what he did" bit again.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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But apparently less effective.




Not necessarily. Going full Big Brother could trigger a rebellion, causing the effectiveness to go to zero.




I feel like a percussive maintenance approach to fixing a defect-defect is similar to a pray and spray approach to shooting




All of politics is. Contrary to it's pretense, sociology is not a science, so there's a lot of going with your gut when you're governing.




I always find it funny, ironic, and depressing how people on the right are not opposed to technocratic solutions, they just don't want to be a on the receiving end of them. Everyone wants to wear the boot.




Where's the humor / irony / gloom? Not everyone on the right is a libertarian. In fact, it's only a small minority that is. Though I object to being called a technocrat.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 2, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Attack the argument, not the speaker!




You can criticize the speaker as well, there's nothing wrong with that.




I think personal criticism should be avoided as much as possible as it never tends to be on the positive side of the light:heat ratio




Please, don't act like you care about the light:heat ratio. Most of your posts are deliberately inflammatory, you just pretend it's fine because your attacks are general rather than specific.




Again, I really disagree with the notion that calling someone a "bad faith borderline troll" would ever be a "good" thing for a conversation.




Yeah, that's what Amadan said, "We just don't always agree with you what constitutes an attack".


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 2, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Name calling like this isn't fine




Right, but personal criticism is. The whole "selective editing" issue is that you portrayed his criticism as namecalling (and you know it, because otherwise you would have quoted the whole thing).




If his argument was that it was fine because he had some "justification" in the rest of his post




It's not just justification, but it's one of the necessary components.




You could justify practically anything in that case, including "lying shitbag".




Yeah, this is why you changing the content of his post does not prove the princple. Replacing [thing that can be good or bad, depending on how you do it] with [thing that's always bad no matter how you do it] completely changes the discussed scenario.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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Maybe if the rest of the world were to stop calling it "football"




I didn't care about Greenland, but them's fightin' words.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 2, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
No, it doesn't. His original objection was:




When you pull a stunt like that, literally chopping a piece out of a sentence to imply I said something quite different than what I did




You were, unambigiously, doing that. By cutting out huge swathes of his post, you presented it as a series of unbacked jabs, rather than deeper criticism of his conduct. You know that, because if his post was actually bad regardless of your edits, you would have just quoted the whole thing.


Now, in order to defend your argument, you are trying to say your edits were fine, because of a hypothetical where he's using the words of others to toss an insult at someone, while pretending he's just reporting on the opinions of others. This has no relevance to the discussed situation, because he's not hiding behind the words of others, he's directly stating it is his opinion, and he only brings up the opinion of others to say that he used to disagree with it. Changing the words does change the scenario completely, precisely because "bad faith borderline troll" is fine, actually, particularly when you can make a good argument supporting the claim, while calling someone "lying shitbag" will be bad no matter how good your argument is. Again, you know that, you basically spelled it out yourself.


Also, if selective editing wasn't bad, than people could claim you called Amadan a lying shitbag, and pretend they don't know what your problem is when you protest.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 9, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


If the goal is to control behavior why not just go full Gilead, 1984, or Brave New World?




It's cheaper?




Unless you just want women to have kids out of wedlock




Nah, if anything, I was prepared to say "out of wedlock kids don't count".




Punishing people for behavior that requires another agent to cooperate them is very totalitarian.




I don't know, sometimes you have to give everyone a good bonk on the head, to get them out of a defect-defect equilibrium.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 2, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
If you wanted to show that the selective editing you engaged in wasn't a big deal, you could have just quoted the post as it actually was (+/- the relevant name changes). By changing the content of the post in the specific way that you did, you cannot show how the selective editing of the original one was not a big deal, actually.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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No, you weren't. You can't demonstrate the principle by changing the content.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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Which is what you did originally. Now you're trying to argue against it by actually modifying the content... Like I said, it makes no sense.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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That doesn't make sense. If no one would defend "lying shitbag", but they think it's fine to call some  "bad faith borderline troll", you are not making the principle behind calling someone "bad faith borderline troll" clear.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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The problem with any redistributive scheme around this topic is that you are in essence punishing people for things that are generally outside their control






In order for me to have kids I'd need to find a woman who wants them




That's not what I'd normally call "beyond my control".




Single rates are up and unless the State is going to do something dysgenic like make it legal for me to go around raping woman or forcing them to marry me




Yeah, how about just putting the same penalty on childless women?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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I don't think we have juries here




Unless Scotland has a different judicial system than England, you do. Though you might soon be right either way, because Starmer wants to get rid of them.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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Isn't it funny how you had to modify the quote yet again, beyond just changing the names involved, to make your point.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 9, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
From the comments I heard about it, it's a bit of a missed opportunity, specifically because it' not a culture war film. The boogaloo, happens because reasons. What could have caused such a rift that Americans would go to war with each other is left unexplored, so I'm not sure it's even making a point that could be missed, and so people are left memeing on it.


That said, I haven't watched it either.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of February 9, 2026
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
The problem I have with that sort or argument is that societies have a good deal of inertia, so it's easy to find yourself debating how the dude that fell off a tall building was in perfectly good health just prior to hitting the ground.