ArjinFerman
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ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
9hr ago
How did that turn out?
The US has just like every other country and organization in the history of the world done bad shit at times. In the US when this has been discovered it has usually resulted in scandal, firings, and at times jail.
First of all, who went to prison for sponsoring the FSA or Afghan kiddie-diddlers? Secondly, which part of "I don't care" don't you understand? I think various states, including the US , have done a lot worse things than sponsoring terrorism, so I don't fret over you doing it, and I won't over Iran doing it either.
Generally speaking the really bad stuff has been an accident or orthogonal to the goal.
Literally everybody says that.
Iran's explicit foreign policy is terrorism.
Do you happen to have a link the an official Iranian policy statement that explicitly promotes terrorism?
They do this to such an extent that it seems that stopping their terrorists was an existential threat, and is how we got the current awful situation.
To who does it seem this way? Iran didn't start bombing people until you attacked them, so I don't see how it would be existential to them. It's definitely not existential to the US, and even calling it this for Israel seems like a massive stretch.
Support of these things is....bad. It has eroded international norms, changed our relationship with unacceptable tactics like using hospitals as military bases.
Again, I see no reason to attribute it directly to Iran. The US or Israel do not answer for the crimes of every proxy they sponsor.
Somehow they've run a highly successful pro-terrorism PR campaign that has dramatically damaged the Western coalition.
Do you want to know what the PR campaign was? It was your little "global war on terror", that promised to bring peace and stability to the region if only you topple Saddam Hussein, and only brought death, misery, and more terrorism, immediately lined up Iran as the next "final boss" who's fall is supposed to bring peace, and is already prepping to set up the next one after that. All Iran had to do was sit back, and let you do you work.
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
14hr ago
Sort of... I guess this is where the "long" part of the long march comes in. Sure, you can still see conservative influence on these institutions, but it's still seems pretty obviously being chipped away at.
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
17hr ago
I don't quite see the point of the exclusivity, though, be it geographic or ethnic.
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
18hr ago
Some of the things he's done, notably on migration, necessarily involved picking fights with Brussels.
The EU institutions have never been committed to unlimited immigration
Hungary asylum policies 'failed' to fulfill EU obligations.
The claims from the pro-EU people here are bizarre, it's like we can't admit the EU made a mistake, let alone that they tried forcing it on others, so when the wind starts blowing in a different direction we have to do the "we have always been at war wit Eastasia" bit.
A deal where Hungary lets in a small number of vetted refugees (who are already settled in Italy) in exchange for a large amount of cash and promises not to close its intra-EU borders works for both sides.
Hungary has never closed it's borders to EU citizens, and as for the rest, what if they don't want large amounts of cash for a """small number""" of """vetted""" """refugees"""? Is it perhaps the case that "some of the things he's done, notably on migration, necessarily involved picking fights with Brussels"?
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
19hr ago
- i don't really care much for the "US has done bad things argument". "All is fair in love and war" (well, within reason), so supporting some shady guys doesn't really faze me. However, this is why I don't understand the moral outrage about Iran and it's proxies.
- You did a bit more then "send some guns" in Afghanistan, these guys were joined to you at the hip.
- I'll need more than your sayso to believe the "effectively the same as an additional military arm of the state" bit. Exaggerating the enemies' transgressions and downplaying your own is basic human nature, and something that every human collective has done since the dawn of time. The US military, intelligence, and foreign policy apparatus is also no different from that of other states, in that it lies all the time to promote it's goels. All in all you might sell me on the difference of scale (show me the numbers, though), but I don't know if I can buy the difference in kind, unless it's argued by a neutral observer (and I don't know if one even exists right now).
That's hardly the same policy.
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