ArjinFerman
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Yeah, but how is that relevant to what we're discussing?
It doesn't make sense to me. If people were leaving cities for small towns and villages, that should cause the price in cities to drop, or at least stabilize. Ditto, if they were leaving some country for another, but everywhere seems to be affected.
Since the mother has signed up to be paid for surrogacy, I am not particularly inclined to view the child as being torn away from the mother's possession. Possibly, I am not open enough to the infant's perspective
Yeah, there's that, but also, it's rather naive to think that it's all fine because the mother signed on the dotted line, before a major transformative experience. And that's without looking into the gory details, like how a lot of them do it out of desperation, how the contracts penalize them for backing out, etc.
but divorce, mothers dying, infant adoption, etc., seem to me like they are common enough that this is not a huge problem
All of these things are massive tragedies, and we don't go out of our way to deliberately create them. Divorce, given it's scale, is a huge problem.
If surrogacy exists at all, it seems like it has to be an option for gay males.
Correct. Surrogacy should not exist at all, it is a moral horror. I don't understand how the thought that this is about gay men, enters into people's heads.
...or because they don't want to be regime changed.
There's no way there's this many people with remote high-paying jobs.
Given the weakness of free speech laws in Europe, the EU (and member states) could have openly censored unapproved views on trans issues the way they openly censored complaints about Muslim immigration, but they chose not to.
A quote from the executive summary that I saved in my draft, but didn't get around to commenting on before posting:
Since the DSA came into force in 2023, the European Commission has pressured platforms to censor content ahead of national elections in Slovakia, the Netherlands, France, Moldova, Romania, and Ireland, in addition to the EU elections in June 2024.50 Nonpublic documents produced to the Committee pursuant to subpoena demonstrate how the European Commission regularly pressured platforms ahead of EU Member State national elections in order to disadvantage conservative or populist political parties.
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The 2023 Slovak election is one key example. TikTok’s internal content moderation guides show that TikTok censored the following "hate speech" while facing European censorship pressure:
- "There are only two genders";
- "Children cannot be trans";
- "We need to stop the sexualization of young people/children";
- "I think that LGBTI ideology, gender ideology, transgender ideology are a big threat to Slovakia, just like corruption"; and
- "Targeted misgendering."
Other than that, you have national laws like the Selbstbestimmungsgesetz or Ley Trans.
If you want to paint the EU as more sane than the US on the trans issue, you'd have to point to the medical establishment. The legal establishment might as well have been directly transferred from the libbiest gender-studies departament in the US.
I don't see what the aesthetic opposition could be here
Tearing away a child from it's mother's arms is not aesthetically displeasing to you?
unless it is to such a degree that gay males are not able to "aesthetically" have biological children at all.
They can do it the same way everyone else does.
I'm getting a similar vibe off of recent discussions about the F-15E Weapons Officer's rescue.
I outright reject the possibility of anyone taking the other side of that debate. No, I don't care how many links and examples you have.
That's substance, though, not just aesthetics.
Yeah, that's not an appropriate aesthetic for a man in a position of power.
All this to say: I think I'm just going to be unapologetically ruled by my aesthetic sense from now on, and say that we can allow some grace.
Your terms are acceptable.
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I think this is what happened with Venezuela and Iran, but I don't think the results of the Iran war are all that encouraging to take on someone even bigger.
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