ArjinFerman
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ArjinFerman
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1hr ago
Yup, I pretty much agree with this, as per my last paragraph.
ArjinFerman
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1hr ago
Okay. However, as I already noted, over 10% of Russia is Muslim. If 0.09% of Poland being Indian means it's over for Poland and they're going to be flooded with Indians, that should go a hundredfold for Russia and becoming Russian clay results in Ukraine being flooded with Muslims.
Russia is an empire """federation""" that includes Muslim provinces, so it's a bit different for them. They also aren't liberal, so they're allowed to take measures that will ensure the cohesion of Russian culture, and the culture of it's constituting provinces, or will promote some reasonable ethnogenesis. None of this is the case anywhere in NATO.
Though at the end of the day, I don't even know if I disagree with you about their long-term prospects, and wasn't making the argument that Ukraine would be better off as a part of Russia. I was pointing out that his portrayal of the West demanding a national suicide is correct.
ArjinFerman
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1hr ago
To a considerable extent, it is homegrown. BLM was run by people claiming to be "trained marxists". Social Justice draws heavily on the theory of Continental Philosophers, and the "Internationalist" faction in American politics has always looked up to Europe for inspiration and social proof of their ideological project.
Ok, sure I was being a bit reductive, and the whole thing was a bit of back-and-forth. You can even go further and point out that the specific people who kicked off the Social Justice movement in the US were airlifted out of Europe after the war. OTOH, Europeans could point out that we kept them locked up in their ivory towers, and they never amounted to much while they were under our custody. America truly turned out to be the land of opportunity, in a very ironic way. By the time these ideas made their way back to Europe, even the old-school Marxists cried out in horror.
Is the WEF an American or a European project? I would argue that assigning it to either is a category error, but if forced, I would say European
I agree, but even though there's overlap, the WEF is a different beast than the SocJus project. It's a totalitarian dictatorship wearing a smiley face mask, it doesn't get more European than that. SocJus is incidental to it, and they'll continue their project, even if it becomes completely discredited.
ArjinFerman
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2hr ago
It's like asking European Taylor Swift fans why they are obsessing over an American celebrity. It's just a bewildering question.
I disagree with this part. It's perfectly normal to bring up a question like that, and it's likely to produce ponderous murmurs about how we should invest more in our own, and not rely on Americans so much. It's not even limited to pop culture, you do this with literally anything, including industry and online platforms.
They just consume media, and they liked this celebrity and it's just very organic
And this as well. There was nothing organic about the spread of wokeness. Not in America, not in Europe. It relied on the suppression of opposing views on one hand, and it's own imposition through government institutions on the other, as well as entryism into critical private institutions.
ArjinFerman
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2hr ago
until it became an excuse for ignoring COVID lockdowns in summer 2020
And how is it, pray tell, that this particular protest, and not any other homegrown cause, if European liberals aren't adopting the worst parts of American culture?
ArjinFerman
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23hr ago
Are you from the US?
Nope, European through and through.
but Europeans still follow and consume American cultural products overwhelmingly, often more than domestic ones. European universities are eager to copy the American academic fads (coastal, blue tribe).
I agree with this, I think this is the mechanism for what I'm describing, but in my experience Europeans don't tend to admit there are American cultural trends that are worth following. It just happens, precisely because of the "fish in water" thing.
Because of this, I believe that if Tretiak asked "why are you adopting the worst parts of American culture" he'd just be met with bewildered denial that any part of American culture is being adopted.
ArjinFerman
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23hr ago
I don't understand the claim
The current amount of immigrants from other parts of the world is irrelevant to the claim about Poland being filled with Africans/South Asians, because that amount is changing. To confirm this, all you have to do is look at how demographic trends developed in other European countries. At one point they also had just a few percent of Africans / Asians / Muslims, and your exact argument was deployed in the exact same way you are doing here.
The word "deliberately" is especially puzzling in this case since these visas were apparently issued illegally as revealed by an internal investigation.
Not sure how that's relevant. The illegal immigrants that were let in under Biden were also illegal. They were still let in deliberately.
The choice put before the Ukrainians was tragic and I don't think a reasonable person can blame them for making the one they did, but the idea that the national suicide under the West is somehow less certain than under Putin is hard to substantiate in my opinion.
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