AvocadoPanic
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AvocadoPanic
2d ago
Hungary has been working on this for a while now.
The vibe I get via western reporting seems to have gone from this won't work, to this works but is expensive.
AvocadoPanic
2d ago
I was trying to imagine modern and US centric versions of the benefits of the Cross of Honour of the German Mother (Ehrenkreuz der Deutschen Mutter) Wikipedia describes them as
...they were always given the best of everything: housing, food, clothing, and schooling for their children. Old people even had to give up their seats on the bus or streetcar. They were treated like royalty with the greatest respect. No standing in line for them. At the butcher's shop, the best cuts of meat would go into their baskets. A helper or nurse was assigned by the government to help them take care of the brood and arrived first thing in the morning.
Members of the Hitler Youth organization were also instructed; a wearer of the Mother's Cross was to be honourably greeted (saluted) when encountered.
...the holder of the Mother's Cross of Honour will in future enjoy all types of privileges that we by nature have accustomed to our nation's honoured comrades and our injured war veterans.
It should be noted that many of the women to receive this award were already 60+.
I like the idea of debt retirement, if my wife had accrued 250k in debt through medical school and post graduate study, we'd have fewer children. But as we don't see countries with 'free' education producing higher fertility I suspect it's a minor factor.
AvocadoPanic
2d ago
There are countries with significantly more maternity leave and public health care, still with low fertility.
Could you be tempted to have four or more children if the government canceled / retired your student loans / and or mortgage debt? No income tax for the rest of your life? The elderly giving up their seats for you on public transit, boy scouts, police and other public servents saluting you? You get the veterans and first responders discount at Lowe's?
AvocadoPanic
3d ago
I've fixed it.
AvocadoPanic
3d ago
not have to worry about childcare arrangements, they dread paying for daycare
This is only a reason if both parents work outside the home. If one parent is a homemaker no daycare is required.
If lack of daycare / affordability was impacting fertility I'd expect to see higher tfr in countries that have improved access / lower cost care available. Is this what we see?
My suspicion is that what they want is the flexibility to not have to worry about children. The cohort of childless or low fertility women I've the most exposure to other than the lesbians, would see themselves dipicted in fiction as the women from 'Sex in the City' or the strong capable lady doctors of 'Grey's Antotomy'. Free childcare would be unlikely to promote children in this cohort.
Isn't this death of the adult the same as described downthread here https://www.themotte.org/post/1199/culture-war-roundup-for-the-week/257235?context=8#context
By
@jeroboam as
government competency crisis
And
Weber's "rationalization," it's a hallmark of "modernity,"
And
@The_Nybbler as
the essence of modern management theory
All describe the same aversion to agency and personal responsibility.
I think that's part of it, to some it sounds like the, Ehrenkreuz der Deutschen Mutter, something Nazi's would do.
Is there a form it could take that would be not weird?
If the award was a free 7 or 8 passenger SUV that let you buy untaxed fuel and park in handicapped parking spots or a license to buy gold from the gold window at 1971 prices.
If it had real tangible benefits to the recipient is it less weird?
AvocadoPanic
4d ago
laugh and think "that's so weird."
I have four children and I'm with you on this. Yet I think there may be something to the discomfort in accepting the thanks / reward for doing something pro-social that not enough capable people are doing.
What is the source of the "that's so weird" discomfort? It feels a bit like embarrassment to me. I'd rather heap shame on the childfree.
AvocadoPanic
4d ago
I'd guess there's an old money / new money cultural difference in the assortive pairings.
In my experience new money wealth marries young / hot not necessarily wealthy.
AvocadoPanic
4d ago
Often these stifling parents will only have one or two children. If the goal is four or more different styles of parenting are necessary along with greater demands on home making for a larger family.
Is it the top women selecting WFH positions? These typically don't have the challenge or prestige top women are looking for. The bulk of the WFH ladies are mid, many in fake email jobs.
AvocadoPanic
4d ago
Are these very wealthy women, or the wives / partners of very wealthy men?
AvocadoPanic
4d ago
contribute to the future of humanity
The best way for top women to contribute to the future of humanity is by bearing humanities future directly.
AvocadoPanic
4d ago
I'm not going to say it's impossible, but there wasn't an abundance of successful examples.
Despite the efforts to reduce the working hours of junior doctors, it's still alot of work frequently at odd hours. If the program has an academic commitment or requirement this is often on-top.
We were fortunate that there was no school debt.
We were also fortunate to have a very easy time conceiving.
AvocadoPanic
4d ago
We 'waited' seven years. We'd likely have more than 4 if we started earlier. My wife was trying for a top decile career.
Not blue tribe in any sense.
I can have empathy for gay men
I can have sympathy for all sinners. All are tempted by sin. None of us has lived a perfect life. Yet we are commanded to turn away from sin and repent, while bearing our burdens.
Unrepentant sinners can be treated as pagans or tax collectors. If I'm not expected to have fellowship them why would I be expected to endorse a social or cultural belief that this behavior is fine. Where we will not be heard, we should shake of the dust and move on, our pearls are not for swine. We should not give what is holy to dogs the unrepentant dressed as dogs or cartoon animals as part of degenerate sexual role play.
The idolatry and love of sin is the problem, not lack of empathy.
AvocadoPanic
13d ago
Oh.
I'd rather see it all on fire than more of that kind of 'win'.
AvocadoPanic
13d ago
because it's better than the alternative
Is the alternative burning it down? A quick hot fire can lead to renewal.
AvocadoPanic
16d ago
Isn't this a bit, stated preference vs. revealed preference?
AvocadoPanic
18d ago
It's nice to be noticed. 🙂
AvocadoPanic
18d ago
doubt the SAHM thing will be an option
I know what you mean.
During the maternity leave for our 2nd it gave us a glimpse into what it could be like.
The loss of income has impacted our lifestyle. We're not jetting around anymore as much. Though we did manage 3 weeks abroad this year with the children.
Generally I think we're happier. I don't think the locum roles were intrinsically rewarding or fulfilling.
AvocadoPanic
18d ago
It scales a bit. After reasonable success with the first one, the 2nd was different but less anxiety producing. The 3rd and 4th even less so.
We had been DINK for some time. After the 2nd there was a move so my wife could be a SAHM. I don't think we'd have 4 if we were still both working in demanding careers shuttleing the kids between creche / daycare and school etc.
AvocadoPanic
20d ago
I would think that applying the gender-transition model to cancer would be for cancer patients to identify as a Cancer-person and advocating for Cancer-person pride.
In my mind applying the cancer model to gender dysphoria would be targeted treatment to realign the misperception of their gender with their anatomy. Restoring their natural anatomy to health.
AvocadoPanic
21d ago
wants to ban transgenderism in adults
Not just adults, kids too. I'd also like to ban cancer in adults, or treat transgenderism as we do cancer.
AvocadoPanic
21d ago
Is buying blood of teenage boys better than other 'fluids'?
Trump should have the Ukraine extridite and prosecute him as part of the peace negotiations.
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