AvocadoPanic
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AvocadoPanic
7d ago
I read OP's post
Motherhood needs to be far more prestigious than any career.
and this had been the case when tfr was higher, though I don't see that @Tenaz actually makes this argument.
To claim that modern society has devalued motherhood and femininity, or made them low status, is completely backwards.
This disagreement with OP leads me to believe @To_Mandalay also believes that @Tenaz has said that motherhood was more valued before 'modern society'.
Though I don't see that he says it I read OP to mean the perceived 'value' of motherhood had declined from the past to the present. @To_Mandalay disagreeing could mean that perceived value had increased over time. Hence my question.
Motherhood and femininity in general have been devalued for as long as patriarchy has existed, so pretty much the whole of human history.
I now take this to mean that @To_Mandalay means the perceived value of motherhood has been flat or unchanged because the patriarchy. I don't find this argument particularly compelling.
AvocadoPanic
7d ago
same reason men
Men frequently want careers / success to improve their likelihood of reproductive success. Career success can even offset other deficits, short stature, asymmetry, etc.
Does education / career improve women's odds of reproductive success?
AvocadoPanic
7d ago
Inferior in what sense or to what end? Would be a more sensible response than agreement.
Inferior typically applies between variations of a type or catagory, and then often for a specific use. Horses would make inferior men, and men inferior horses. Your usage makes little sense.
AvocadoPanic
7d ago
Inferior at breast feeding or baby having?
AvocadoPanic
7d ago
Would the US still arm a party to the conflict?
AvocadoPanic
7d ago
Alas, importing Japanese style intensive fat-shaming is unlikely.
Could we import active, fit, elderly Japanese men to make us feel like lazy fatties?
AvocadoPanic
7d ago
Diet Dr Pepper tastes more like Regular Dr Pepper
AvocadoPanic
7d ago
Much of the land used for grazing would be unsuitable for other agricultural purposes. Without the ranching the land would be unproductive. How do cows produce carbon monoxide?
AvocadoPanic
7d ago
Wouldn't there still be peace?
AvocadoPanic
7d ago
They barely had the conceptual framework to understand mental illness in the first place.
Are the current year frameworks better or just different?
Unless there's some identifiable treatable organic cause for the anxiety, mood or personality disorder might the patient improve just as well be guarding against and rebuking the demons of pride, envy, sloth, lust, etc? Especially if most of the available therapy interventions perform as well as each other.
AvocadoPanic
7d ago
It is seen as empowering and feminist to socially pressure women into denying one of the most natural human impulses, that of having and raising children, so that they can get more educated and make more money.
This is often reinforced by the meme that as a woman you should not be dependent on a man. In my experience this does a disservice to those who believe it. My wife and I are mutually dependent on each-other, in our complimentary domains. She's been a full-time homemaker the past 8 years. One of her friends from uni, who is now literally a witch, was shocked to hear that she is dependent on me financially.
I see it as the value she provides to our home and our four children far exceeds the value of her working for an employer. We'd be unable to pay a person of equivalent caliber to perform the work she does for our family.
AvocadoPanic
7d ago
To claim that modern society has devalued motherhood and femininity, or made them low status, is completely backwards.
Is your argument that modern society values motherhood more? That there have never been so few women per capita becoming mothers, to me is evidence against this.
Complementarianism, may be expressed more now, I suspect for much of existence it went without saying, but was no less true.
Have you not seen "Conquest of the Planet of the Apes"? Spoiler
AvocadoPanic
18d ago
Like Welfare to Work? The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (PRWORA)
AvocadoPanic
19d ago
Yes.
Although we appear to see a similar increase of students in high school, and a corresponding reduction in average quality of graduates. The inflation and lack of rigor in high school is partially why so many would need undergrad studies now.
AvocadoPanic
19d ago
I honestly think high school students in the 1950s and 1960s were actually better thinkers than college graduates and in some cases college students in the 21st century.
High school attainment in 1950 was 34.3% and Bachelors was 6.2%, 2019 this was 90.1% and 36%.
Neither high school or undergrad are as selective as they were. I'd expect the quality of graduates to suffer.
How did they lower the rates in Europe?
Are those pressures being applied to violence prone populations today?
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/147470491501300114
AvocadoPanic
1mo ago
Filters like this https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/147470491501300114
AvocadoPanic
1mo ago
wait a bit longer until it's an option
What are we waiting for? The filters that are likely responsible for the disparities evident today are still available, they're not used.
AvocadoPanic
1mo ago
NIH issued a release on their study last month.
Compared to healthy volunteers, affected U.S. government personnel did not exhibit differences that would explain symptoms.
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The researchers note that if the symptoms were caused by some external phenomenon, they are without persistent or detectable patho-physiologic changes. Additionally, it is possible that the physiologic markers of an external phenomenon are no longer detectable or cannot be identified with the current methodologies and sample size.
AvocadoPanic
1mo ago
No there's no obligation to advocate for the irrational, incoherent, irresponsible or impossible demands of their constituents.
AvocadoPanic
1mo ago
A politician's constituents are less likely to be as unified on these issues as they would be on abundant and affordable housing and energy.
Can you define hate speech?
Gun rights in what context?
Freedom of speech in what context? I believe the current standard is Brandenburg v. Ohio.
Abortion; the best likely scenario is to do nothing and make no specific advocacy.
Can you define rich and poor? Getting into the weeds on issues like this is likely best.
AvocadoPanic
1mo ago
The responsibility is to advocate for actions that will make improvements, and oppose actions that will lead to increased scarcity.
AvocadoPanic
1mo ago
Lower speed limit, 55 max on the highway.
Remove tariff and / or sanctions on oil producing states.
Rationing
Drill baby, drill!
Start a war / Organize a democratic revolution in a country that is mean to women and / or homosexuals but has oil.
The beef lobby claim
The problem is the 7% of corn acres?
Does the bacteria in the cow that releases methane, release more methane than would be released by the natural decomposition of the forage material?
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