Botond173
13d ago
Doesn't all this normally count as online stalking/harassment in the eyes of normies?
Botond173
13d ago
I think it's more accurate to say that upper middle-class established men care about the social status of their marriage partners.
Botond173
13d ago
I don't think concubines had the obligation to be responsible mothers, did they?
Botond173
13d ago
The current crop of Gen Z males is the least feminist of any currently-living generation.
Which...isn't exactly saying much. Also, this survey seems to actually merely prove that this crop is the least feminist when compared to their female counterparts, doesn't it?
And he has the ability, if he wants, to publicize any particular detail of his case he wants.
...which is only going to be watched by his loyal fans who already believe in him.
Botond173
13d ago
In the first, she went out to the budding celebrity guy's house, stayed there and never asked to leave, drank alcohol willingly (she claims he said it was water, but that claim doesn't hold any), and the 'worst' he is accused of doing is penetrating her while she was asleep, already in his bed. And apparently continued to try and engage with him (in hopes of boosting her streamer career) for up to a YEAR after the interactions.
In the second, its more standardized human trafficking allegations, among which is the threat to withhold a passport in exchange for sexual favors, but again, very little evidence that these women were not understanding the nature of the other party.
And in the final one, it was again a case of someone agreeing to sex, including threesomes (being clear, SHE alleges this! She's saying she just lacked capacity to consent!) after AGREEING to take various psychoactive drugs, and otherwise being very open to the activities but then coming back and deciding that no maybe that was not what she wanted after all. So most of these circumstances lack any element of physical coercion or incapacitation, and some have clear indicators of consent present!
It's well that you're willing to dig all these details up but unfortunately the average young guy isn't. He is likely to be indoctrinated by mainstream liberal lipstick feminism, as are his parents. He's an NPC normie who usually only reads the headlines. If not, he maybe reads or skims through the article itself but again, it's likely to present a lipstick feminist perspective on the whole issue. Only a tiny minority will go down the rabbit hole and investigate the incident at hand, digging up online reports, public police or court documents, reading posts about it on dissident and decidedly anti-feminist sites etc. Most normies will only care to learn the most basic details and then dismiss the entire matter as another case of evil, toxic, woman-hating chuds violently raping unsuspecting blameless virginal women they first got drunk or something. Again, I want to believe you and I think you have a point about larger long-term trends but I suggest that we be realistic about this.
Botond173
14d ago
Why am I not surprised that you thought it necessary to add that the destitute male virgin in your story is 6'3.
Botond173
14d ago
The issue with such advice is that it comes across to single women as tone-deaf exhortation to capitulate in the sexual rat race by not even putting themselves in situations where desirable men notice them. This is why their reaction do this is snark, anger and resentment.
Botond173
14d ago
I'm also guessing that many of them actually did not believe women would feel sexual shame anymore once the external social tools of shaming are removed.
Botond173
14d ago
Maybe you were trying to open it on a company network. Do these links work?
https://www.npr.org/transcripts/92292747 https://www.hoover.org/research/myth-big-sort https://www.broadstreetreview.com/articles/why-was-the-big-sort-overlooked
Botond173
15d ago
I'd also suggest looking at this from a slightly different angle. I think the grave mistake this girl realized she made was not merely that she decided to be a slut in the moment but that she did so with guys that were either within her social circle or directly connected to it. Because it's not the act of slutting in itself that classic (women-on-women) slut-shaming seeks to suppress but slutting that has a detrimental effect on the social status of any member of the female social group in question. (Because the erosion in the social status of even one member reflects badly on the whole group.)
Botond173
15d ago
presumably smart enough to attend that university
I don't think that's saying much especially when we're talking about some meathead on a sports scholarship.
Botond173
15d ago
Rape is seen as an extremely severe crime committed against the sacred honor of the victim and her family in patriarchal societies (IF the woman in question is seen as having honor). Alternatively rape is seen as an extremely severe crime committed against the sacred sexual autonomy of the victim in feminist societies (unless the perpetrator is the member of the ingroup). This is a rather big difference.
Botond173
15d ago
She seems to be a usual middle-class white female NPC who reads too much female-oriented porn. Maybe she assumed the two guys were about to have sex with each other and were merely inviting her to watch?
Botond173
15d ago
I'd argue that raping the local women in the conquered lands of a heinous defeated enemy is mostly seen as not objectionable in most patriarchal societies especially if we apply the feminist definition of rape to the matter at hand.
Botond173
15d ago
We should normalize people intentionally moving to regions with like-minded individuals.
This has actually been happening on such a scale and for such a long time that a popular book was released on its harmful effects back in 2008. I know this is somewhat off-topic but still.
Botond173
15d ago
If you honestly think that "all women" are in a sort of cartel where they determine the cost of entry for "family formation" or engage in "resource siphoning," I'm not sure we will ever see eye to eye. Cartels coordinate.
Slut-shaming is an obvious case of such coordination, isn't it? Not the slut-shaming done by angry incels online, which is a huge social crisis existing only on the minds of feminist journalists, but slut-shaming done by other women.
I imagine there are far more women who are turned off by the median man than there are men who are turned off by the median woman.
This has always been the case though.
Botond173
15d ago
I’m sorry but the female equivalent to male gambling, porn, anger, laziness and isolation is by no means merely ‘getting careers, delaying childbirth, or even having more sex’; it’s credit card debt, female anger (publicly directed at men and usually getting zero social pushback), (obsessive) female porn consumption (of trashy YA literature, dark romantasy or whatever and emotional porn marketed to women in general), social isolation (see the latter example), trashiness, frumpiness, OF ‘modeling’, camwhoring, pigging out, getting addicted to painkillers and alcohol etc.
What getting careers, delaying childbirth, or even having more sex represent on the part of women is simply them abandoning the social roles that the bygone Christian patriarchy expected of them – it does not necessarily entail personal degeneracy and dysfunction. Men abandoning the social roles that the bygone Christian patriarchy expected of them simply manifests as one no longer interacting with women from the perspective of responsibility and protection but from the perspective of pleasure and fun – in other words, delaying marriage and fatherhood, not marrying your first sweetheart etc. It's an overall situation where women no longer feel accountable to men and men no longer feel responsible for women.
Living in a coastal city and think the women are too feminist? Move. Having a hard time meeting religious people? Move. No luck on dating apps due to demographic asymmetries? Move. Dating and marriage, on the experiential level, have so little to do with the aggregate behaviors of the sexes, and everything to do with how one spends their time and the people they surround themselves with.
Do you think it's a reasonable request to be made to average single men or women to upend their entire lives just to supposedly increase their personal chances of finding a suitable partner?
Botond173
15d ago
I think this false notion that women are somehow innately fit for marriage by virtue of having been born with an uterus whereas men need to basically be domesticated into this role is remarkably widespread even among people who should know better. I’m guessing there are two main reasons for this. One is that most people are capable of noticing that the average woman is only interested in one man at a time and thus practices monogamy even when she’s not interested in marriage. (Serial monogamy = promiscuity, as practiced by women.) The other is that when relationships are formed, the man is usually more averse to initiating commitment (averse to making this big change in front of his entire social circle, that is) than the woman is whereas the woman is more likely to be averse to staying committed. This means men and women are actually equally picky in this regard but it’s men’s pickiness that manifests earlier in the process which creates the notion that the average man is somehow a ‘commitment-phobe’.
Botond173
16d ago
I’m somewhat familiar with the work of the reactionary blogger Jim and one thing I definitely never expected him to do was to use the Japanese light novel series KonoSuba and its anime adaptation as a talking point. But now it’s here:
In the anime Konosuba, Kazuma and Megumin frequently find themselves alone together and have a lot of physical contact. Kazuma, who is the main male character, is identified in the storyline as seventeen years old and is drawn as slightly younger; Megumin, who is the primary romantic interest, his waifu, his best girl, is drawn inappropriately young, and is identified in the storyline as inappropriately young even for a seventeen-year-old boy, but all the fanservice women, for example Aqua, are drawn as about Sydney Sweeney’s age. They are all drawn as obviously older than Kazuma, and most of them are identified in the storyline as inappropriately mature for a seventeen-year-old boy. All the other girls perform fanservice, and Megumin does not, but only Megumin gets time alone and extensive platonic physical contact with Kazuma. The storyline could be interpreted as the young main male character preparing her for a future marriage, while at the same time being distracted by all those attractive, far older eye-candy women, particularly Aqua.
One aspect he left out is that Aqua basically exists a comic relief character and not as a potential romantic interest (also the notion that she is ‘drawn as about Sydney Sweeney’s age’ is questionable at best) and that the other main female character who can be called a fanservice woman (Darkness) is basically a delusional pervert which rules her out as a love interest as well.
Anyway, that’s not the main reason I’m linking to it here and I also know this subject matter has been done to death here. The reason instead is the reference therein to mainstream accusations about the ‘Peter Pan syndrome’ among single men. I think it’s a fascinating culture war phenomenon and I also think Jim misses the point about it here. It’s not that it’s a pretext for aging and frumpy hags to whine, it’s that it’s based on the assumption that women are innately mature enough for marriage. I’ll quote a 2011 blog post from an Australian Catholic social conservative author who is also critical of the Manosphere:
On the other hand, what alpha Christian male wants to be sloppy sixth's to the modern shrew? The problem for this type of guy is the lack of quality women out there. He wants to get married but the pickings are so slim. Hymowitz thinks that today's average girl is "quality" product, however I think that there is a fair amount of legitimate disagreement as what constitutes quality No matter what her career achievements, a woman who has ridden the carousel and perhaps made a few trips to the abortuary is not quality material from a Christian point of view. A mature and responsible christian male would think such a woman is high risk material for infidelity and divorce and by-pass her. If there were an en masse movement to alpha up, the following would happen. The hedonists would pump and dump while the Christians would become more choosy; the pool of marriageable suitors for women would shrink.
Where Hymowitz errs, is in the assertion that today's woman is in some way more "mature" than the pre-adolescent male upon which she rightly heaps her scorn. She labours under the illusion that the modern woman is some sort of prize that men will aspire to. Hymowitz has framed her argument in such a way that would be laughable to the good men of the past.
Men and women of the past would both agree that men today leave a lot to be desired, but the fall in quality has been most marked amongst women. From the vantage point of the past, the modern woman today is vapid, slutty, superficial, unfeminine and hence extremely poor quality material.
What marks the transition from adolescence to adulthood is the gradual assumption of responsibility, maturity and independence. What separates the child, the adolescent and the adult is the increasing influence of reason over emotion. The mature adult takes his emotions into account but is not ruled by them. Enter the concept of the Rationalisation Hamster. The concept needs to be understood as the cognitive mechanism by which thought is subordinated and aligned to emotion. The function of this "hamster" is to provide a superficially plausible (if not logically consistent) series of thoughts to align and justify whatever action is required by the emotional state. It is effectively the thought process of an immature adolescent.
The "triumph" of modern Feminism has been to culturally and legislatively legitimise this rationalisation hamster. Marriage is no longer seen as a reciprocal relationship amongst two people, but rather a flexible arrangement of convenience based on the emotive state of the parties. The logic of abortion as a woman's rights issue (ignoring the rights of the father) is another example. The furthering of women into fields that they are totally unsuited to, such as the military, police and firefighting services yet another. Feminism has also been able to reframe feminine identity; what previous generations would have thought trampy and flighty, modern feminism has been able to portray as mature.
When Hymnowitz points to the Star Wards nerds, all I can think of is the "mature" female SATC equivalents. I admit that men sitting in mom's basement jerking off to online porn are pretty shallow, but so are the women who spend their lives shopping for bags, clothes whilst riding the carosel waiting for the enabling supplicant whom will provide them with lifestyle to which they are accustomed. People from a less enlightened age would consider a person who endlessly obsesses about their looks, the latest pair of Jimmy Choo's and who Brad is dating now, pretty superficial. It's the pot calling the kettle black.
True - (regular) Reddit commenters are a tiny minority. But that doesn't necessarily mean their views are fringe. We can merely infer that they feel unusually strongly about those views and thus feel compelled to keep declaring them. It's entirely conceivable that huge numbers of average people agree with them while not feeling any particular inclination to howl this into the virtual wind. And this probably applies to feminist beliefs in particular. I'm afraid a single man lurking around a female-coded hobby group and basically infiltrating it in order to find women to approach online will not be looked upon positively among normies at all if exposed, even if none of those normies ever commented on Reddit.
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