Botond173
4hr ago
It's funny how everyone conveniently forgets that Ford had much more extensive business dealings with Stalin than with Hitler. It was due to Ford that there was a truck industry in the USSR in the first place.
Botond173
10hr ago
Quarantine has been an effective measure to mitigate infectious disease outbreaks for nearly a thousand years (and before modern medicine, the only available tool).
Quarantines were enacted to isolate only those who were confirmed to be infected. Let's not misinterpret clear definitions.
Botond173
10hr ago
They were initially told the measures will be temporary so as to flatten the curve, in other words they were justified by the logical-sounding reasoning that the epidemic will spread through the whole of society anyway, and it needs to be ensured that health services do not get overwhelmed. It was also claimed that this will take no more than two or so weeks.
I remember the time between autumn 2021 and the beginning of the Ukrainian War. It did seem like the status quo stabilized and we’re in a new normal. Those who refused to get vaccinated were going to live as pariahs, modern untouchables, not permitted to travel, to fly with airlines, check into hotels etc. and those who were vaccinated were going to need to have their certificate of it on them.
Botond173
11hr ago
I reckon reading that huge numbers of Indian peasants, then penniless urban seasonal workers, starved to death and died as they tried in vain to go back to their villages on foot, hoping to get home before the government locked down all travel as well.
Botond173
1d ago
Noted.
Anyway, since I replied to only one half of a sentence, I think it makes sense to reply in a bit more detail: what I described would have readily been available to Ukrainian nationalists (at least before 2014) without firing a single shot or wasting even 1$ of US aid. When weighing past options, I think we need to take this into account.
Botond173
1d ago
I imagine it's one thing to be married as a woman to a man you're not sexually attracted to, but it's entirely something else to be married to one who is not, and is incapable of being sexually attracted to you. I'm guessing most women would opt to remain single than to sign up for the latter.
Botond173
1d ago
Straight men do chase lesbians too, and even more gay men have a thing for trying to "convert" straight men.
For/Into marriage? With children? Because this is what OP was describing.
Botond173
1d ago
One of the things I noticed when trawling reddit was absolute lack of sympathy from anyone.
Not even from his native Ukraine? Which he donated large sums to during the war?
Either way, I think any modern society is well-advised to at least try drawing lines in the sand and establish clear rules regarding all the gooners, simps, e-thots, porners, "incels" and whores in its midst. We can all go on pretending that these seismic social changes have not actually happened, but what good does that do us? We need to acknowledge a bunch of unpleasant facts: enormous segments of both men and women will never marry and never breed. Calhoun's mice/rat utopia experiment has been put into practice in the human world. Not only is the Christian patriarchy dead; anyone who has ever had even indirect social experience of it is already dead. Should it ever return, it will definitely not be Christian. We need to decide what our attitudes should be towards women whose sole aim in life is to whore themselves out, and towards the faceless mass of males financing them.
Botond173
1d ago
Ukrainian nationalists would prefer a future of a smaller Ukraine with fewer Ukrainians
Were that true, that'd have at least meant a nationalist policy of tolerating the idea of autonomy and general otherness of the Donbass as a predominantly Russian region in character, at least before 2014. In other words, a compromise with Russian separatists. But, as far as I know, not only did this never happen, in fact the opposite was happening.
Botond173
1d ago
I'd argue you mistakenly have cause and effect completely reversed. It's not that surprising, since many Atlanticists seem to share your assumptions. I'd say the plain truth is that the only reason the Ukrainians keep fighting, to the extent that they do, is because they assume the West will keep supporting and supplying them.
Botond173
1d ago
Why should a woman marry him? What's in it for her, from her point of view?
Botond173
1d ago
If your argument is that Europe is free to import oil from any place other than the Persian Gulf or Russia, I agree. But that does not represent global trade in any practical sense.
Botond173
1d ago
I think the US deep state was been unconditionally supporting Ukraine and prodding it to prepare a revanchist war since 2014.
Botond173
1d ago
All this seems to be the unfortunate consequence that was the disaster that was the Versailles “Treaty”. Nobody wants to become yet another fool like the Germans did in 1918. Politicians seem to all believe that if you voluntarily sue for peace, you’re a dunce.
Botond173
1d ago
And if Europe is left without oil - it is their own fault for antagonizing Russia.
I’m benevolently assuming this is supposed to be a reference to events after the US presidential elections in 2024 and you’re suggesting that Western European leaders should have assisted Trump in pushing for at least a negotiated ceasefire in Ukraine. Unfortunately there is only one Western European government that is theoretically able to decisively choose not to antagonize Russia, doing so in a way that compels smaller European states as well; that is Germany, but they are beholden not to Trump but to the globohomo US deep state, which is their creator, master, trainer and indoctrinator, as the German federal state itself is an artificial construct of theirs.
Botond173
4d ago
Matt Forney, for those here who never heard of him, is a relatively obscure blogger, troll, journalist and author who at least used to identify as alt/dissident-right (he even attended that infamous NPI conference of Richard Spencer in 2016), one of the earliest disciples of Roissy and had been active in the blogosphere as early as he was. He’s from NY state but has been an expat living in various countries for a decade or so, it’s thus entirely plausible that his knowledge of US small towns is limited or outdated. I find it very unlikely though that he isn’t aware of the opioid epidemic or the white trash characteristics of Jerry Springer’s audience, parts of West Virginia or the fandom of professional wrestling.
Anyway, what I’d point out is that his tweet seems to specifically address a clueless and rosy assumption that seems to hold on among comfortable middle-class mainstream Republicans, probably since Reagan’s time or at least Clinton’s time, that although the nation’s big cities may be lost to cultural degeneracy and leftist hegemony, but the predominantly white rural areas, flyover states and US small towns are still populated by decent, hard-working, salt-of-the-earth patriots with their heads screwed on right. This notion appears from time to time, just think of that dumbass ‘Try That in a Small Town’ song that was also discussed on this board.
What is the truth of the matter? Tattoos, for example, used to only be worn by prostitutes, soldiers, sailors and criminals. I imagine there was a time when the only people who had piercings were dissident artists, freaks and hooligans. There were degenerate hobbies that were only practiced by the spoilt offspring of rich urban families or members of the underclass with nothing to lose. But all these things have since been normalized and commercialized, as is to be expected under modern capitalism. These trends started in big cities and gradually spread to mid-sized towns, eventually to small towns. It wasn’t a quick process, but it did happen. It seems many people share the illusion that it has not happened and will not happen to the bucolic small towns they have always idealized. That is Forney’s point.
Botond173
5d ago
Regarding the dinergoth article, I wonder if the author considered the possibility that the surging popularity of anime in the US may have something to do with the remarkable lack of (preachy) wokeness that characterizes it.
Botond173
5d ago
I was surprised to learn that Matt Forney is still active. I haven't come across his name in years.
Botond173
6d ago
I’m just wondering why anyone decides to release a documentary about the Manosphere in 2026. As far as I can tell, the period when the Manosphere had any relevance was sometime between 2008-14. Since 2014 the defining fault line in the Culture War has been race, not sex, and most of the political attention the Manosphere might have otherwise been able to capture was swept up by Trump, who apparently has relatively little or no interest in gender politics. The PUA scene was already declining before the COVID lockdowns for various reasons and seems to have completely died off since then. Andrew Tate, as far as I know, is simply rehashing a dumbed-down version of arguments you could find on any of the dozens of Red Pill sites that existed back in 2013 or so.
Botond173
7d ago
I'd say the fiasco of the Fyre festival, Millennials getting into positions where they can make documentaries, and the intention to hang nu-metal's corpse.
It'd be hard to argue against that.
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