Botond173
7hr ago
t's also worth pointing out that IGI-111 was claiming that Ukrainian soldiers were being blown up by the Ukrainian government.
Why are you hung up on this, I wonder. Very obviously he(?) was just making a somewhat cynical, snarky statement, that's all. I'm pretty sure he isn't literally claiming that the Ukrainian army is blowing up its own conscript soldiers with sticks of dynamite or something. If men are conscripted into an army to fight in a war the end of which nobody sees and the chances of victory are rather murky, with many of them getting blown up by drones, mines etc., then yes, in the everyday sense of the word, in layman's terms, it's sending them to get blown up. Just let it go please.
My view is that continued Ukrainian resistance is not futile as long as a string of miracles takes place which hands them victory in the end. This is rather unlikely though.
Botond173
9hr ago
'some', not 'same'; it was a typo. Yes, it's plain observable fact that the Ukrainian army has engaged in futile operations like the Kursk incursion, plus counterattacks and defensive operations with no chance of success (trying to establish a Dniepr bridgehead etc). And yes, nameless conscripts get sacrificed. All of this then gets conveniently forgotten in Western mainstream media.
(Also I find it curious that you responded to just one half-sentence.)
Who actually believes unironically in the universality of such norms anyway? Do the same people oppose Israel as well, as an expansionist regime with genocidal aspirations? Or Azerbaijan? I doubt.
Botond173
9hr ago
Again, have you considered the possibility that to the extent Ukrainian soldiers keep defending their positions – which in itself is not sufficient to win the war, to be sure –, they are largely doing so under the assumption that not only will NATO keep supporting them but will in fact escalate the war should the defense positions collapse?
Even if we assume that asylum applicants claiming to be in fatal danger at home in the Third World due to being gay are actually gay, we can safely assume that the level of discrimination they do suffer as a result is usually not fatal or even significant. Severe persecution of homosexuality is more of an exception than the norm even in these areas, as far as I know. And yet the EU authorities generally accept these claims or at least do not expel such applicants.
When applying the same loose standards to Ukrainian male refugees who would be conscripted at home were they repatriated, then yes, we can safely assume that, in the circumstances the government will be putting them in, they will not be leaving the army until they die or get crippled. They will be, in effect, sent to be blown up in some futile operation. This NAFO notion that meat grinder tactics are totally alien from noble Westernized Ukrainians who share zero cultural similarities with the Moskal is frankly laughable and cringe.
Botond173
10hr ago
All those great speeches about liberalism and the banality of evil just to end up here again.
This sort of BS was already on display when the EU banned Russian tourists from its territory. Some Baltic or Finnish girlboss politician declared that visiting Europe is a privilege, not a right - and this was coming from the same ruling clique that engineered the refugee crisis in 2015.
Botond173
14hr ago
I think it's as reasonable a take as the claims of the asylum seekers about being gay etc. usually are.
I remember the times when neocon shills were insisting that Ahmadinejad's actions warrant a preemptive Israeli-American air war. Strange times we are in.
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