Botond173
3hr ago
It's undoubtedly more accurate to say that he was a victim of a self-radicalizing cultural milieu that normalizes leftist political executions.
Botond173
3hr ago
The leftist pantheon has long included fake-ass martyrs.
the hero pioneer Pavlik Morozov
the Red Army peace envoys under white flags supposedly gunned down by fascist monsters in 1944
Botond173
4hr ago
Are you specifically talking about the current American (Republican) Right?
Botond173
4hr ago
Is your argument that violence-promoters on the Right are successfully rooted out by strictly enforcing laws against them, so if the same is done with the violence-promoters on the Left then the same result can be achieved?
Botond173
4hr ago
I think it’s a lot more ‘cringy’ to make memes about a widow trying to carry on in public life after her husband gets murdered in plain view.
I'd also mention that in other similar situations the normie woke-adjacent line of thought is usually that people mourn in all sorts of different ways, you don't know what they're going through, it's petty and cruel to openly mock and criticize their attitude etc.
Botond173
6hr ago
or modern culture of circus and spectacle just lacks the seriousness necessary to create martyrs?
What about George Floyd though?
Botond173
6hr ago
Why do you think such a generational opportunity existed? It's not like a local version of Pinochet or Franco is in power.
Botond173
7hr ago
I guess what she really meant to say is that they are conditioned to put out, which is largely true - innate sexual preferences do not change, after all, but social norms regarding sexuality do from time to time. I imagine her complaint isn't that normal guys prefer thicc women over fat or skinny women, it's that current society has normalized casual sex.
Botond173
7hr ago
If you say teenage sexual relationships should be decriminalized, people will probably ask you why. What will you reply then?
Botond173
7hr ago
Isn't this a phenomenon mostly concentrated in the suburban middle-class who mostly lead a sheltered existence? The same demographic that was known for its comical levels of prudery in the 19th Century? I'd guess most normal working-class fathers can grok that their teenaged daughters are sexual beings who want to and will get boned.
Botond173
7hr ago
Thanks. I see that this is not the original source though, and neither is this probably the first or even the sole version. I distinctly remember coming across this comment somewhere on a redpill-themed subreddit; I forgot to save the URL though. I'm fairly sure it was actually the original. I remember it did include a cringey and somewhat hilarious explicit description of the daughter's tight vag being penetrated for the first time.
Botond173
7hr ago
On an unrelated note, naming a statute after a tragedy involving suicide, murder and treachery is probably not a good PR move.
Botond173
7hr ago
I'm no sociologist but I'm guessing that social norms regarding this are more or less shared throughout the West, in towns both big and small. That is, when two teenagers are in a sexual relationship but both are discrete about it and are otherwise not seen as anti-social delinquents, their social circle quietly tolerates it.
Botond173
7hr ago
I'd argue it's widely seen as unwise for the simple reason that teenagers aren't assumed to reliably practice birth control.
Botond173
8hr ago
So how is it feasible in your view to not sound like a pedo but at the same time describe the simple anthropological reality that girls sexually mature earlier than boys?
Botond173
10hr ago
I'd say the main drawback is that the only way to become a member of such a subculture is to be born into it. They don't accept outsiders. And if you try starting your own sect, people will just laugh at you.
Botond173
11hr ago
Is the impact little because young women generally don't marry anyway these days or because normal people don't care about age gaps in their daily lives at all? Or are you of the view that no online phenomenon has any discernible effect on the daily lives of normies?
Botond173
11hr ago
I remember seeing a somewhat recent short documentary series on everyday life in the Third Reich which was based on first person accounts and described the same phenomenon among Hitler Youth groups during the Nuremberg rallies, with a large number of girls, even a majority of certain regional female groups, getting pregnant. I’m assuming this description and the horror stories you mentioned originate from the same accounts.
The deciding factor in all of this was that while the Party was openly promoting high birthrates and had little scruples about girls and young women getting pregnant outside of marriage (under the assumption that they were to get married immediately afterwards), the majority of the German people, regardless of their level of sympathy for Nazi ideology, was still influenced by Christian norms at this period to such an extent that they strongly objected to such sexual libertinism. The Party leaders were careful enough to take note of such complaints and thus decided to have male and female Hitler Youth groups camping at great distances from each other during the annual Nuremberg rallies from 1936. (Or so the documentary claimed.)
I've heard about Italian examples though.
The Acca Larentia killings
The assassination of Sergio Ramelli, which also includes a redemption arc (sort of)
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